(History suggests) Muslims have killed more than Christians in the name of their god.

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  1. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    if you realllllly want to debate this i'll let ou go first or i can and i'll set up the example of how to build a precise case....
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  2. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    you're obviously getting shit twisted, far from straight.

    tell me the casualties in the conquering of mecca by the prophet.

    you can't, because the only casualties that day were idols being broken.

    sunni v shiite and israel v palestine have their own setbacks and faults.

    i know i can't get through your thick headed numbskull, but others need to know.

    :numaan:
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  3. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    This debate is to see if Muslims have killed more people in the name of their religion than Christians , Expect anyone who takes this to have a good knowledge of the History of Islam and Christianity to modern day, also the History the Middle East and North Africa, Byzantium, Coptic Christianity (Patriarch of Alexandria) and military conflicts there.

    >>Definitions<<
    Muslim - an adherent of Islam [Islam - the religious faith of Muslims including belief in Allah as the sole deity and in Muhammad as his prophet]

    Christian - one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    Kill - to deprive of life : to cause the death of.


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    In this debate it's important that you understand what qualifies as murder in the name of a God. The following criteria must be fulfilled:

    -They direct reasoning for that murder must relate to a god. IG a Hezbollah(party of god) militias fighting a war against Israeli armies.
    -If asked the primary reason of that person must be I did for God, Country and God is acceptable, but with the notion of "what is for God" and what "God supports(God on our side)". So the Crusades would count but not the war for Jenkin's Ear.
    -It doesn't matter if the murder is justified, it still counts.
    -That murder must be committed by a person of that of that religion.
    -The event of the murders must have taken place according to Historical body; Citation would be needed from a valid source.
    -The murder victim can be anyone not necessarily a Muslim or Christian, so an executed heretic or a Jew would skill at to the kill count.
    -Other rules may exist but must be assumed to a reasonable doubt.

    Also thanks again to Nu'maan for his disgusting and incorrect ad ad hominem introduction-slash-slight passive response . It's addressed in the comments area.

    Islamic "extremism" exists in over half of the countries in the world, most of Africa, every country in the Middle East, South and South East Asia, formerly China, North America above Guatemala, South America has a low but increasing number due to Palestinian Diaspora[Muammar Qaddafi, Brazil and Argentina], Australia and Far Eastern or Far Western Europe. Areas without any bases of Islamic groups or a Militant Islamic national Front are Polynesia, Antarctica and Central Eastern Europe.

    >>>Allegations<<<
    These are my Allegations of deaths caused by Muslims, my current approx total is 20 to 30 million. Below is some of this number. Round One - Christianity? Martyrism or Suicidal Insolence.

    >>Deaths caused by Holy Jihad in response to the Crusades. Approximate Casualties for major skirmishes.
    Crusades - Christian Casualties 2,000,000

    according to Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.[Admit it, you love the name too]

    First Crusade - 300,000 Europeans killed at Battle of Nice[Nicea]

    Second Crusade
    Siege of Christian Tiberias: 30,000 Christians killed

    Third Crusade[Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire,]
    Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.
    First Sieges and Battles of Acre (1289-91) - 10,000/25,000 Christian casualties.
    Second Christians killed after fall of Christian Acre all Christian settlers (1291) - 100,000
    Battle of Arsuf (1191) - 700/20,000 Christian casualties.
    Battle of Jaffa (1192) - 400???/2134 Christian casualties. Then 20,000 Christians massacred in total in following years (1192 to 1197)[Catholic Encyclopedia]

    Children's Crusade
    50,000(1212) [James Trager, The People's Chronology (1992)]

    The "Last" Crusade – Nicopolis Failed Crusade
    Several Skirmishes and the Sedge of Nicopolis, Christian exucited POW, 300 survivers. 16,000 Crusader Army [David Nicholle 1999]

    *In fact the dead Crusaders probably numbered some 16,000 men. Traditional Turkish sources give the number of Ottoman troops as 10,000 but when their Balkans vassals were included they may have numbered around 15,000.

    >> Mongol and Later Eastern Muslims<<
    Total Christian Deaths by Genghiz Khan and Hulaku Khan's - Jihad Campaigns(1214-1258)* Massacres 6million Christians and 4million die as martyrs.

    * Genghiz Khan's Jihad Campaigns and Political Campaigns, the Jihadist ones are determined according to David Barrett by how they where campaigned. Genghiz Khan's total indiscriminate massacres total to over 30Million, 75% of the Mongol's 40Million Murders. Source for Religious Martyrs by David Barrett. Mongol Murders are the worst followed by WWII and Chinese Civil War and the deaths by Mao Zedong.

    >>Miscellaneous Deaths.
    Christian Martyr deaths at the hands of - Muslims 9,121,000 - 14,120, 000*[ http://gem-werc.org...] by World Christian Encyclopaedia same source as Britannica and the World Almanac.

    Uncounted as of now.

    *More have died at the hands of "atheists"[31mil - Soviet and Nazi count]. Other Lesser Christian deaths are at the hands of Fellow Christians, Ethnoreligionists, Mahayana Buddhists and Hindu's.

    >>>Sources<<<
    Major Sources
    Death Tolls for Wars, Massacres and Atrocities Before the 20th Century: Washington DC High-Speed Internet, Digital Cable TV and Home Phone Service Provider - RCN... (Anti Christian Bias)

    >>>Totals<<<
    Christianity - 1937 (1937)
    Islam - 0(12,000,000)
    Based on: Religion ()

    Part two, Modern Jihad, the Imperalist theocratic Caliph and the bloody Successors to Muhammad.
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  4. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    This debate is to see if Muslims have killed more people in the name of their religion than Christians , Expect anyone who takes this to have a good knowledge of the History of Islam and Christianity to modern day, also the History the Middle East and North Africa, Byzantium, Coptic Christianity (Patriarch of Alexandria) and military conflicts there.

    >>Definitions<<
    Muslim - an adherent of Islam [Islam - the religious faith of Muslims including belief in Allah as the sole deity and in Muhammad as his prophet]

    Christian - one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    Kill - to deprive of life : to cause the death of.


    ___________________________________________________


    In this debate it's important that you understand what qualifies as murder in the name of a God. The following criteria must be fulfilled:

    -They direct reasoning for that murder must relate to a god. IG a Hezbollah(party of god) militias fighting a war against Israeli armies.
    -If asked the primary reason of that person must be I did for God, Country and God is acceptable, but with the notion of "what is for God" and what "God supports(God on our side)". So the Crusades would count but not the war for Jenkin's Ear.
    -It doesn't matter if the murder is justified, it still counts.
    -That murder must be committed by a person of that of that religion.
    -The event of the murders must have taken place according to Historical body; Citation would be needed from a valid source.
    -The murder victim can be anyone not necessarily a Muslim or Christian, so an executed heretic or a Jew would skill at to the kill count.
    -Other rules may exist but must be assumed to a reasonable doubt.

    Also thanks again to Nu'maan for his disgusting and incorrect ad ad hominem introduction-slash-slight passive response . It's addressed in the comments area.

    Islamic "extremism" exists in over half of the countries in the world, most of Africa, every country in the Middle East, South and South East Asia, formerly China, North America above Guatemala, South America has a low but increasing number due to Palestinian Diaspora[Muammar Qaddafi, Brazil and Argentina], Australia and Far Eastern or Far Western Europe. Areas without any bases of Islamic groups or a Militant Islamic national Front are Polynesia, Antarctica and Central Eastern Europe.

    >>>Allegations<<<
    These are my Allegations of deaths caused by Muslims, my current approx total is 20 to 30 million. Below is some of this number. Round One - Christianity? Martyrism or Suicidal Insolence.

    >>Deaths caused by Holy Jihad in response to the Crusades. Approximate Casualties for major skirmishes.
    Crusades - Christian Casualties 2,000,000

    according to Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.[Admit it, you love the name too]

    First Crusade - 300,000 Europeans killed at Battle of Nice[Nicea]

    Second Crusade
    Siege of Christian Tiberias: 30,000 Christians killed

    Third Crusade[Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire,]
    Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.
    First Sieges and Battles of Acre (1289-91) - 10,000/25,000 Christian casualties.
    Second Christians killed after fall of Christian Acre all Christian settlers (1291) - 100,000
    Battle of Arsuf (1191) - 700/20,000 Christian casualties.
    Battle of Jaffa (1192) - 400???/2134 Christian casualties. Then 20,000 Christians massacred in total in following years (1192 to 1197)[Catholic Encyclopedia]

    Children's Crusade
    50,000(1212) [James Trager, The People's Chronology (1992)]

    The "Last" Crusade – Nicopolis Failed Crusade
    Several Skirmishes and the Sedge of Nicopolis, Christian exucited POW, 300 survivers. 16,000 Crusader Army [David Nicholle 1999]

    *In fact the dead Crusaders probably numbered some 16,000 men. Traditional Turkish sources give the number of Ottoman troops as 10,000 but when their Balkans vassals were included they may have numbered around 15,000.

    >> Mongol and Later Eastern Muslims<<
    Total Christian Deaths by Genghiz Khan and Hulaku Khan's - Jihad Campaigns(1214-1258)* Massacres 6million Christians and 4million die as martyrs.

    * Genghiz Khan's Jihad Campaigns and Political Campaigns, the Jihadist ones are determined according to David Barrett by how they where campaigned. Genghiz Khan's total indiscriminate massacres total to over 30Million, 75% of the Mongol's 40Million Murders. Source for Religious Martyrs by David Barrett. Mongol Murders are the worst followed by WWII and Chinese Civil War and the deaths by Mao Zedong.

    >>Miscellaneous Deaths.
    Christian Martyr deaths at the hands of - Muslims 9,121,000 - 14,120, 000*[ http://gem-werc.org...] by World Christian Encyclopaedia same source as Britannica and the World Almanac.

    Uncounted as of now.

    *More have died at the hands of "atheists"[31mil - Soviet and Nazi count]. Other Lesser Christian deaths are at the hands of Fellow Christians, Ethnoreligionists, Mahayana Buddhists and Hindu's.

    >>>Sources<<<
    Major Sources
    Death Tolls for Wars, Massacres and Atrocities Before the 20th Century: Washington DC High-Speed Internet, Digital Cable TV and Home Phone Service Provider - RCN... (Anti Christian Bias)

    >>>Totals<<<
    Christianity - 1937 (1937)
    Islam - 0(12,000,000)
    Based on: Religion ()

    Part two, Modern Jihad, the Imperalist theocratic Caliph and the bloody Successors to Muhammad.
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  5. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    Note**

    The Crusades were a defensive war that began as a response to centuries of Moslem aggression. The Christians ultimately lost, so I think it's safe to say that Moslems won that killing contest.

    The Spanish Inquisition lasted over a century, and -- in total -- killed about 5000 people. Compare that with 9/11 in which Moslems killed 3000 people in one morning.

    Aside from the Inquisition and the Crusades, I cannot think of any other events which were specifically inspired by the Christian faith and which resulted in any significant deaths.

    Liberals may mention Christians coming to the New World and the massive Indian die-off that followed, but no diseases were spread deliberately, and deaths were not caused specifically by religious zeal.

    On the other hand, Islamic jihad has been going on for 15 centuries and has killed millions. Just look at the history of India -- conquerors like Tamerlane did nasty work there. It's all documented.
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