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  1. x calibur

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    I agree with the concept of Hell, but on two conditions:

    1. Hell must not be arbitrary.
    2. Hell must not be eternal.

    If you are sent to Hell, it must be out of completely fair judgment - not a retarded reason like being the wrong religion. Your level of punishment must also be perfectly just. All of your thoughts/words/actions/intentions/results should be taken into account. It's absolutely absurd to sentence a soul to Hell on a technicality.

    And I can't worship any god that would impose eternal Hell. No one, no matter how bad, should face eternal damnation - it must be temporary. With that said, temporary doesn't mean it has to be short. You could spend 100, 1,000, 10,000 years burning in Hell, depending on what you did. Maybe even a billion years. But every immortal soul should be given a second chance, even if it takes eons.

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  2. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    I agree totally, but i have a feeling that HELL is permanent and it is given to people like poverty is given to men woman and children in the world. and the the blessed "rich" people inherit all the goods. nothing we can do b/c u cant free a slave and you can't enslave a free person
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  3. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    well i saw a documentary on the history channel about "christian hell" and it started out way back as just basically boring. There were no scary monsters, or torture machines. It evolved into that.

    Maybe hell is all relative to the experiencer?
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  4. TheBigPayback

    TheBigPayback God Particle

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    Ur correct hell is temporal. U stay there till the day of judgement.
    u have ur day in court at the white throne judgement.
    and then if convicted u are escorted by warrior angels to the lake of fire and burn for eternity.

    the ramifications of this life are eternal
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  5. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    i feel like if one can't be god then he's stuck in servitude. and if thats the case and we are damned to slavery angellic beings and demonic . including mortal souls.. then that isn't heaven imo we are all in hell.. we are all not a god
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  6. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    the entity behind the judgement is fair and just.

    if there is a hell after we die, i'm sure people like hitler/stalin will reside there.

    not regular humans who are just asking questions, but unable to understand the answers.

    i don't think atheists will be in hell, because all they were doing were asking questions.

    unless it's a sin to question things, which i don't think is right at all.

    from what i heard/read about the afterlife, we have our own specific time.

    so my one minute could be your one thousand years, or so.

    our time is not relative to one time, as it is here.

    contrary to popular belief, shaytan will be in hell.

    but he won't be the king of hell as is discussed in christian folk lore.

    then again, nobody came back to tell, so we will see when our hour passes.

    :numaan:
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  7. TheBigPayback

    TheBigPayback God Particle

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    Nuuman read the bible then u can qualify to make assumptions into
    what the bible actually says.

    because satan being the king of hell is just the most retarded thing uve probably ever assumed
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  8. GaLaTeA

    GaLaTeA GymArt

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    Much like you having "kingdom of heaven" as your location?
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  9. Geedorah

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    What if hell is nothing?
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  10. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    i have read the bible, i didn't say it said it in the bible.

    i said it was a popular belief by mainstream christians, that satan rules hell.

    and don't try to tell me otherwise, because i have too many friends of your faith.

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  11. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    wait satan DOESN'T rule hell?? then who does?
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  12. ChromeDepot

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    Honestly, where do you come up with this shit?

    I can't agree with the concept of Hell, at least the Christian view. God is described as both infinitely merciful and just (which is a contradiction in of itself); why would a merciful God send his creations to live in everlasting torment? Is it just to send someone to hell for falling "victim" to natural human tendencies like jealousy, lust, or ambition? At their core these "offenses" are nothing more than thought crimes.
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  13. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    i don't know where he gets his info from either.

    but for child molesters, serial killers, rapists, genocide generals, there should be hell.

    do you agree, or not?

    don't know if you're being sarcastic, but why would satan rule hell?

    he has been given respite until the day of judgement to lure as many souls as he can muster.

    but when the time comes for judgement, he will be burning in the fires of hell alongside other inhabitants.

    for an entity made out of fire, to be burning? - i shiver imagining how hot the fire is.

    but no, he will not be ruling hell - there is only one king of kings.

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  14. TheBigPayback

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    If they don't read the bible or follow it. They don't qualify as christians
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  15. TheBigPayback

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    He's merciful in that he gives u the opportunity
    To choose ur own fate. But he is just and will allow u to go if u choose
    He'll.
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  16. lyricalpriest

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    "How is Satan god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)?"

    Answer: The phrase “god of this world” (or “god of this age”) indicates that Satan is the major influence on the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. His influence also encompasses the world’s philosophies, education, and commerce. The thoughts, ideas, speculations and false religions of the world are under his control and have sprung from his lies and deceptions.

    Satan is also called the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2. He is the "ruler of this world" in John 12:31. These titles and many more signify Satan’s capabilities. To say, for example, that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" is to signify that in some way he rules over the world and the people in it.

    This is not to say that he rules the world completely; God is still sovereign. But it does mean that God, in His infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world within the boundaries God has set for him. When the Bible says Satan has power over the world, we must remember that God has given him domain over unbelievers only. Believers are no longer under the rule of Satan (Colossians 1:13). Unbelievers, on the other hand, are caught "in the snare of the devil" (2 Timothy 2:26), lie in the "power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19), and are in bondage to Satan (Ephesians 2:2).

    So, when the Bible says that Satan is the "god of this world," it is not saying that he has ultimate authority. It is conveying the idea that Satan rules over the unbelieving world in a specific way. In 2 Corinthians 4:4, the unbeliever follows Satan's agenda: "The god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ." Satan's scheme includes promoting false philosophies in the world—philosophies that blind the unbeliever to the truth of the Gospel. Satan’s philosophies are the fortresses in which people are imprisoned, and they must be set free by _______?
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  17. ChromeDepot

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    My argument is that it's not just to damn someone to eternal torment for simply doing what is natural for us.

    You can't tell me you've never felt envy or lusted. Everyone does it because it's part of our nature; we want to have sex and we are a materialistic animal. If God made us this way then why are these things considered sins? Further more, why are we expected to suppress our natural tendencies?

    These are man made "laws". They come from the same people who told us that even questioning the existence of the Holy Spirit in our own mind is an unforgivable sin.

    If I believed in it, yea probably. Although I think I agree with a previous poster about the eternal aspect of it. There has to be some determinate length of time to allow for forgiveness. If God is infinitely merciful then shouldn't he forgive?

    If Hell exists then it's populated by a whole lot of Christians.
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  18. reggie jax

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    i understand why it's desirable for humans to have some form of eternal justice... but from a 'cosmic' point of view i can't help but think that torturing hitler is ultimately pointless, petty and sadistic.
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  19. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    and just.

    don't forget about the justice.

    :numaan:
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  20. reggie jax

    reggie jax Well-Known Member

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    if it's just to torture anybody, then hitler fits the bill. but i'm not sure that it is just to torture anybody.

    i'm not saying it definitely isn't just either, i'm undecided on that.
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