Grind Time Now presents: Nocando vs Dizaster (1 week preperation)

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  1. Slick Ick

    Slick Ick New Member

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    At this point it's all opinion of course, but if someone in real life said they were going to 'bust caps' or 'pop off' I would give them the same look i gave the dude who said 'blast toys'. Now, I'm not hoodied down in the streets or some shit, but just from being a part of the drug dealing culture one picks up on shit like gun slang after awhile.

    Math Hoffa vs. Aye Verb, for instance: Math Hoffa says, 'I ride tho, four-five fire for five foes (I believe)'. Now, the reason this line is cool to me (besides the scheme being bonkers) is that when he says, 'four five fire for five foes' they all sound like the same two words (fo' fi' fi' fo' fi' fo'). I thought this line was ill, even thought it isn't at all natural to say, "Yeah, I came back on those foes with the four five fire the other day". In the first round of the same battle he said, "Aye becomes gay when a G is in front of him". Generally, people don't refer to the type of cowardly, non-masculine behavior Math was talking about as gayness, they'd call him a pussy or something. Still awesome wordplay even though being afraid of gangsters doesn't make one gay. "You'll never put a hole in one without the balls, verb." That's a natural way to say someone wouldn't shoot someone because they're too scared? There are places in battle rap where I find someone's sentence structure cringeworthy because it was obvious they couldn't make sense and rhyme at the same time, but that's usually Xmen monster named as logan shit.
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  2. Gwame

    Gwame no luckycharms in ireland

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    I'm not sure if we're on the same page here. The most clever and eloquent ways of saying something are rarely the most conversational ways of saying them. Look at poetry for instance.

    Math has a good way of wording things. He's a great writer and has that 'powerful' way of speaking. There's a huge difference between that and morphing Pokemon names into a contrived and stretched way of saying you'll look at a person and proceed to shoot guns. Not that Conceited could've pulled off a line like "Aye becomes gay" nearly as effectively as Math.
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  3. Slick Ick

    Slick Ick New Member

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    you never said anything about cleverness or eloquence, you said the line was bad because, 'no one says 'blast toys' as a way of saying they'll shoot you'. I agree that poetry is non-conversational, math's a great writer, and conceited isn't eloquent (although he's fairly clever; still don't really find myself entertained by him).

    Also, he ain't morph no pokemon names, that's how dem shits get pronounced. That's why I liked it, normally people have to put something on it to make it make sense (DNA: Even getting a tattoo you wouldn't hold steel (still)), and I find that to be cringeworthy.
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  4. Gwame

    Gwame no luckycharms in ireland

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    You're right, I should have made that clearer. It's not just that "peek at you and blast toys" isn't conversational, it just sounds ridiculous. IMO good wordplay usually involves the line making sense in two ways. Even the DNA example has that. I don't think it's a bad line though, the DNA one. It's not great but it's decent. In his dialect/register, steel and still sound the same, so it's alright to pair them like that. Much of Loaded Lux's wordplay works that way too.

    All in all, I don't particularly like that Conceited line, but he has plenty of others I like.
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  5. Slick Ick

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    see, my usual rule with whether or not wordplay is going to be sick is if it not only makes sense both ways, but says something, too. Conceited is the only dude who I think could spit that pokemon line, because I'm used to him saying things like palm the ruger, so it sounded natural out of him (by the way, I accept and understand your rationale for why you didn't like the line, I just find arguing battle rap interesting). Also, even though I'm sure he didn't mean to, when he says 'BLAST toys' it sounds like the way an actual blastoise pronounces its name. Made me giggle.

    The DNA line I didn't find to be clever whatsoever because when he delivers the line if I didn't know that DNA liked to use double meanings and rap about guns I would think all he said was, 'even gettin a tattoo you wouldn't hold still', but without the wordplay. There's no context or reason for the listener to think DNA wants to accuse his opponent of being someone too afraid to own a firearm.

    Also, I don't see how the DNA one has two meanings that both make sense.

    First meaning: Even if you were getting a tattoo you wouldn't remain motionless (makes sense)

    Second meaning: even if you were getting a tattoo you wouldn't hold a gun (makes no sense)
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  6. Gwame

    Gwame no luckycharms in ireland

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    For some reason I was thinking of holding the tattoo needle as "hold steel" but that's too much of a stretch. I'm not really thinking properly tonight, tired as hell
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  7. apalanchau

    apalanchau wtc aint nutin tafuckwit

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    This is a very good point. You'd think street cats wouldn't really glorify the streets that much, they should prefer an escape, which explains why the Wu Tang Clan for example were crazy over martial art flicks and comic books. Method Man had to deal drugs when he was younger and he hated it, you rarely see him rap about it, only thing he loved was the weed. Ghostface Killah who likes to rap about the drug trade always gives a realistic depiction including the downright ugliness of it as opposed to constantly glossing over it.

    Great performance btw, Nocando, still the best free styler right now in my opinion.
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  8. tha sinner

    tha sinner New Member

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    dizaster won.
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  9. serge dot T

    serge dot T Shotgun Serge

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    This is one of those cases that both emcees kill it hardcore but one still chops the other ones head off
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  10. RegularJoe

    RegularJoe Well-Known Member

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    Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
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  11. GANNONDORF

    GANNONDORF styrofoam elijah

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    72,000 views already
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  12. Beef Merciful

    Beef Merciful when that bob-omb flicker

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    This. Speakin of decapitation Swave vs Diz will cause an actual natural disaster
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  13. masta_blasta

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    I've watched this battle about a dozen times since it first dropped. It is a masterpiece.

    Top 10 Grind Time Now battle of all time tbh.
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  14. KingKing APE

    KingKing APE New Member

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    YOOOOO aVOOOOOOOOOOOOO.,..what up?

    how does the hobbit prince like the king king ape's video work thus far ? for serious this time i need some actual criticism..

    come hang out in my por..i mean movie studio...he ..he...i don't do porn...yet...

    [youtube]Dcl5bUmkWW8[/youtube]

    and diz and nocan should come battle me 2v1 for 5 gs...NOT A JOKE..i rip them both...

    nocando just spat out his cigarette and then picked up like a bum and smoked it...

    diz got really mad smashed his mom in the face with a closed fist and started writing lines pretending to freestyle even writing in the "yo yo yo yo ...eh yo..chill out yo..check this..yo...brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr FAGGOT"
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