Greatest Guitarist of all time???

Discussion in 'Movies, Entertainment & Various Music Genres' started by Vintage Tox, Jun 13, 2007.

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  1. Dex Luis

    Dex Luis Dextilla The Hunk

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    I would normally agree, Brah…

    But not in this instance. You’re a bit out of your element here.

    If we’re judging purely on technical abilities, the opinion of the seasoned player obviously trumps that of the non-player.

    As an experienced player, I would clearly have a greater appreciation of the skill involved in playing a particular composition.

    For me, there's no categorical bias, either. I hate bluegrass with a fiery fucking passion but that doesn’t dissuade me from recognizing the fact that some of those guys are ridiculous on guitar.

    I do think Prince is underpraised as a guitarist, but to consider him as well half of these names as top 100 worthy is laughable.

    But, meh… all is relative.
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  2. Dex Luis

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    Johnny Ramone.

    lol

    The fuck out of here.
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  3. Hidden_Poetry

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    Sometimes.
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  4. D. MonEy25

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    I agree Slash is a great guitarist.
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  5. Barack Obama

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    yeah, i'm not saying that technical knowledge and playing experience don't count for anything, but an individual who has them isn't always necessarily the better judge of the music

    like you said, it's all relative anyway, so what constitutes the "better judge"?

    people feel what they feel...

    all i'm saying is that artists can sometimes be the worst critics of themselves and their peers because of too much focus and concentration on technicality and a tendency towards favoring their own style and the ones they patterned their work after



    a piece of music could be the most technically difficult one in the world and still not be evocative or "good art"
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  6. Konscious

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    I'm not questioning your knowledge of guitar technique. (However, being a player doesn't automatically make you a virtuoso nor an expert.) I'm questioning your knowledge of Prince's repertoire.

    You can say that if you go by his albums alone.
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  7. Konscious

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    Co-signs on everything.
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  8. Dex Luis

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    I will never be able to take the opinions of non-guitarists seriously.

    Sorry.
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  9. masstaih

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    anybody talking that shit about "prince is nothing special" check out the while my guitar gently weeps video live at the rock hall where he performed it with some of the guys on that list .............................blew up the stage....it got to the piont they all stopped and watched him..i feel you not liking his music but saying "Prince is nothing special" come on fam this cat change the sound of music . think not listen to gwen stefani's holla back girl then listen to housequake from sott....check out tracks 2,3,7,10,13 on justin timberlakes album.......dude got mad influence on the game ! when guitar gods like clapton & santana speak highly of you .....your something special !!!!!!!!!!
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  10. Dex Luis

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    I agree. He’s quite gifted.

    He still wouldn’t capture Dex Lewisian top 200 honors, however.

    Anyways, this is all entirely subjective and stupid as fuck. I’m out.
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  11. Vintage Tox

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    and one of the people that originated that song is at # 21 on the list....



    *Neesch*
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  12. Konscious

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    Then don't put out music or play for public consumption.

    Only play for yourself and other guitar-playing musicians.
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  13. Konscious

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    It is always subjective. It's an opinion.

    But if you base your opinion on logic and evidence, then it becomes a bit more credible and valid. Being a guitarist gives you some credibility, but it doesn't make your opinion anymore valid than the layperson.
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  14. Konscious

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    Obviously, the Prince critics have only heard a small sample of his work and are extremely narrow-minded in their judgements. The man's career is 30 years long.
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  15. F*ck Macabre

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    It's not just the technical aspects- I would never judge strictly on a technical level. It's safe to say that musicians are more in touch with the level of emotion and soul put into the work as well. It goes with the territory, and on that level I respect any guitarist to do it as long as he has whether I like them or not. However, he's not my cup of tea.
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  16. Barack Obama

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    see, don't buy that... i think that's ridiculous

    because someone doesn't actively play and practice an instrument doesn't mean they can't be in touch

    there are plenty of non-musicians out there with more soul than those who want to call themselves "musicians" and even bona fide ones

    thing is that they haven't delved into the technical aspects and learned different ways of expressing that innate soul/emotion through a musical medium

    there was a time when all great musicians hadn't picked up their instrument or sang with their voice

    they still had that power/talent within, however
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  17. F*ck Macabre

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    My god, man.

    I want to move past just discussing Prince, but I find this whole "held back" theory of yours too laughable to let it be. Don't you know that basically every guitarist has been limited in the recording process? Hendrix certainly was, and it didn't keep him from delivering. Very few artist have had complete creative control.

    It seems like you're suggesting Prince should be judged for his live work, and not by the mainstream albums that made him a household name. Well, my uncle makes a good live bar band guitarist, but he's certainly never recorded anything; I guess he should be considered for a top 10 spot as well.

    People that are good in certain areas come by the dozen- it takes more to be exceptional.
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  18. F*ck Macabre

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    You're suggesting that the Claptons, Becks, and even Jim Morrisons (who didn't play an instrument) of the world had just as much emotion and soul for their music when they were 5 years old as they did after gaining experience by playing, writing, and performing?

    C'mon now. To say that some 13 year old non-musician with a walkman right now is just as in touch with music as Jimi Hendrix would be wrong.
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  19. Macabre

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    I'd like to apologize for all of the useless bickering in the thread in hopes of moving it forward.

    I can think of a lot of guitarists that are/were brought down by others in the band. Tony Iommi would be higher on people's lists if it weren't for the fact that Ozzy and typical metal lyrics annoy a lot of folks. Imagine if Jimi Hendrix would've had to carry a Sammy Hagar or David Cherone.
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  20. Barack Obama

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    soul is built and strengthened through life experiences, not practicing music

    i'm sorry... have to disagree with you here

    it is all technical aspects when you talk about focus and concentration towards expressing one self's through an instrument

    the spiritual heft that fuels, is behind and communicated through the music is entirely non-musical

    there is nothing about being a musician that puts one in a more advantageous position to feel the music



    as kon already alluded to, the bulk of appreciation comes from non-musicians
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