Ghet for Prez (Small Q&A) pt. II

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  1. menaz

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    Nothing artifical at first.

    First people will make a political choice early on by dividing into two revolutionary camps. One: neo luddite, second: technophiles, As technology rapidally advances into the 21st century. Now If the neo ludditism revolution wins we will without question remain stagnant in a political belief system for years and years to come, but there will be a catch this time around because science will be abolished. Which in this case scenario neo-ludditism will collectively govern societies close to the primitive sense of the word. However, if that were to occur i'm fairly optimistic people would start to see the error of their close to primitive ways for abolishing scientific technology. And as the earth begins to become uninhabbitable due to its inevitable life span in our solar system they will change course and revolt. Now, if the technophiles win the revolution political beliefs as you and I know them today will ceases to exist. Instead humanity will be focused on making unison decisions on how to best financially advance nanotechnology, space explorations, terraforming, and genetic engineering. Thus, Altering humanities future from surrogate activities to actual accomplishable goals for humanity. So Instead of having political belief systems humanity well be united and directly focused under a technology and economy surplus umbrella system to better help further the goals of space exploration, genetic engineering, and terraforming planet projects for humanity.





    It's not a matter of classes per se to me, It's a matter of human survival. Mars and/or venus will be like a kin to mother earth and as such so will the new human species that evolves on there. And the earth citizens that moved to Mars and/or Venus will be the next step in the human evolutionary process. These trips to mars and/or venus will be made little by little by earthlings until the process of moving from the earth to mars and/or venus is completed. We are moving toward a umbrella-like economy already with programs such as Nafta and the eurasia-america transport link. It's only a matter of time to me, to each their own though.
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  2. Cedric

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    I’m aware; you brought the moon into this in your second post to me. Ghet stated that (1) it’s possible [and recommended] to core colonize any planet over terraformation. That left me confused [with motivation to look-into] as to which NASA would choose to utilize (core colonization VS terraformation), and that’s when you brought the moon into this, so as to say that the moon would become core-colonized. Moreover, you stated that the moon theoretically can’t be terraformed, and with doubts circulating in mind, I looked into this as well.
    In your first reply aye. I only entertained the moon a bit because I had doubts about it not being able to become terraformed, and didn’t have the specifics on which NASA plans to strike first (moon or Mars); I received more than my fair share of information pertaining-to once looked into. For that, I’m hardly interested in continuing our discourse.
    Once again, thanks for clearing this up. You came into this thread to point that out, but I never imagined that it’d expand into a discourse which I’m hardly interested in, not to mention steers me away from having my questions answered.
    Which means your presence in this thread is hardly relevant. If for some reason I need to lace cosmo/astro-technology into this thread again, I may turn back to you after I do articles.
    A new thread should have been set many posts back, which I’d’ve politely engaged.
    I skimmed a past Posthumanism thread and took note of that. On another note, I don’t know how this process works out, so I’m unfamiliar with where your short/long-term goals in life lie.
    As does anyone else that’s up-to-date on astronomy/cosmology.
    /looks at the thread-opener
    Neither do I, since Earth’s evitable fate draws forth.
    My intent is not to try to persuade him into anything, since he’s a grown man that has every right to do as he wishes with his life; it’s to ask questions to understand why he feels as he does about certain things, and perhaps if he could map his growth even further to further explain his goals. True, I’m not going to agree with everything he concludes and that's natural.
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  3. Cedric

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    Wrong, I’m for it. Earlier in this thread, I laid out an analogy to Ghet using chess. It basically states that I’m for assisting all, even if they agree to it or not, position-to or not. Ghet states that he’s for only assisting those that agree to it and are in the position to. This all plays in part to how we’ve mapped personal growth, and in part shifts in societies.
    Never stated that it was, and Ghet cleared this up for me earlier in this thread.
    Man will become re-engineered and man will dissect into different worlds, but that isn’t to say that all of this will reach fruition without conflict. Part of my questions for this thread lie in Ghet identifying the extent of this conflict, and how politics will take place (you state it will disappear; I don’t know what he thinks), since it is through the existence [or non-existence] of politics that the process of “abandoning Earth” is supposed to circumvent conflict in the aftermath. Again, I’m trying to look into Ghet’s way of thinking and how he maps personal growth, because his intent is in assisting those that agree to it and are in the position-to (keeping the assets and ignoring liabilities). This mentality can pose conflict if he were in a position of power, which is why much of this thread has shifted towards politics (i.e. there are “Bush-bashers” in the U.S., but George must treat all American citizens as his responsibility in eventful occurrences).
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  4. menaz

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    I only provided my answer about the moon then, because you brought up the subject of the moon again only this time asked a new question dealing with terraformation vs core colonization, from there I decided though pointless to discuss fuck it i'll give you my explanation and get this out of the way so we can move on. An explaination I still stick by because terraforming the moon is a doltish rationale not worth examining on a serious level.

    There are other opposers aside from myself who think terraforming the moon isn't a smart choice, and think Mars is a much more rational choice. I fall into this camp. http://www.geocities.com/marsterraforming/terraforming.html


    You're welcome. And now because of my input you're aware and that's all that matters. I'm also aware most people who like debating morality do it because it's the easiest way to point the judgemental finger and appeal to emotion. I don't believe that's your motive here though. My morals can still be relevant, I didn't want you confusing my morals with ghet's. So I didn't involve myself with in that discourse at that time.



    At the momment I have a few short term surrogate activities such as sex, reading, mathematics, and making money. Another part of my short term surrogate activities are (as I said in that link you provided) to learn from every form of knowledge possible -- applying its rationales and wisdom to my thought process -- inorder to figure out the entirety of huamnities infurstructer from then til now -- objectively shaping it from my own point of view. My long term goal will be to utilize nantechnology inorder to collect and save the neuro cells from my brain. i.e. Thus, storing all my memories, emotions, and knowledge into mircoscopic nanobots, this process works very similar to that of a back-up disk, then all those 21st century emotions, knowledge, and memories will be transfered over into my stem-cell-produced-next-generation-clone so that I can keep on learning and understanding our futures infurstructer. Which in theory is a grand idea because it equips me with the retrospective knowledge, emotions, and memories from the past inorder to utilize better understanding of the future so that I can keep learning and progressing humanities infurstructer for the best.



    Interesting, because from the discourse we've had I got the impression you had anti-technology tendences. Turns out you actually agree with me on this subject.


    As long as Psycho-analysis isn't your game, because he is very much consciously aware of his growth. As long as you aren't thinking you can help him correct his past unconscious conflicts you should be fine.



    I would never imply conflict wouldn't happen one must always be prepared for such a violent scenario, however, the postion on my revolutionary action speaks on how it doesn't always have to go down that way. E.g. Methods of Gandhi. As for ghet, the impression I have is he will entice liberals with leftist ideals inorder to circumvent the masses to his benefit and those who revolt will suffer the fate of genocide. i.e. Only He will rule with autonomous decree compareable to that of a stalin, lenin, or mao and that's how I've mapped his growth. However, I don't fault him because if a violent conflict does ensue regardless if he circumvented the masses or not into such a position, is not his mentality rather justified? And since we're talking about a future conflict here why would ghet be held to the same constitutionality as George Bush? By then total anarchy could be the shift in soceity we're all dealing with. That's just the impression I get from ghet's principles on goals, methods, and results.
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  5. Cedric

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    My new question addressed which method NASA has planned, and which planet they choose to strike first, which laces heavily into the questions I have about “abandoning Earth” [from a diplomatic viewpoint]. It would only seem pointless if this thread circulated around a discourse outside of this thread’s.
    Agreed.
    /nods
    True enough. My motive is just as the thread’s titled and this thread opens up: I’m asking questions, and Ghet’s answering. As stated before, he may see trends that I don’t [and vice-versa], and his answers have been concluded because his vision sees the most feasible outcome. But are his most feasible outcomes for the betterment of mankind, does he care about mankind, and does the way he’s mapped personal growth call for caring about any portion of mankind, I don’t know [yet]. To add to this, he’s made some quirks in this thread [and others] that sound suspect, because they don’t sound neutral/amoral.
    Fair enough.
    True enough, I’m asking questions, and he’s answering… but I’m not grading the paper.
    I only threw that example out there as a formula. Ghet is not for presidency.
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  6. menaz

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    Well, the answer to that question is the moon, but terraforming hardly likely.
    Don't take this the wrong way, but are you an alias? Only asking because
    this is the frist time I've ever noticed you here.

    I'll say this much the answers he'll give will be interesting. However, what if his future plans do not envolve as you said the betterment of humanity? Something tells me that is where the conflict will lie. Guess, I'll have to wait to find out how this all pans out.


    Thread does say ghet for pez, but on the real I got what you meant, however I just don't think he gives two shits about obying any constitutionality/moral that would bind him to carring out whatever humanity ruled/wanted... I think his motto is, IN GHET WE SHOULD TRUST! lol
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  7. Any political ideology that is rooted in pity and martyrdom (Christianity and Liberalism, for example) has an endgame theory where political evolution hits a threshold and is no longer reflective of reality. That threshold is expressed by the centuries of violence caused by the ideology, which inevitably causes a universal backlash designed to suppress such violence. In short, if Christianity and Communism are ideological cousins (which they no doubt are based on any core examination of the ideologies), then the corpses they leave behind tell the same tale over and over again: Altruism breeds discontent. The end game solution, then, of any altruistic strategy is always the same. It's simply the method that changes. In Jesus's time, it was turn the other cheek. In Marx's time, it was kill royalty. In our parents time, it was protest. In our time, it is to load ourselves up with drugs and useless spiritual solutions that translate into absolute nothingness.

    There isn't a doubt in my mind that those in power have difficult choices to make and are operating as best as they know given the information they have. With nuclear and biological weaponry a reality, the priorities are obvious. They don't want a man-induced Armageddon. So they tell us about female rights, the joys of abortion, homosexual rights, and soon to be added pedophilia and zoophiliac rights (protests are slated for 2011-2013) all of which are designed to tinker with the core of human civilization: our sex drive. Those in power seek, desperately, to replace aggression with the gentler of the genders. But this activity is backfiring in China, as cultural preference for males of females have resulted in a loop-sided figures in favor of males. The homosexual revolution will take place in China without a doubt in my mind. Leftists out here will call them progressives. Those in power require stability above all, so they offer the "right" of sexual sedation by increasing available surrogate mates. (Never bored on a Saturday night!)

    What does this all mean? The compass is oriented to planetary streamlining: The act of finding the delicate balance between a federally/globally enforced fluctuating population growth rate and the economic/environmental ability to sustain them without want. It is the next stage in Marxist thought. One day, the Venona Cables will tell us about th high level concerns of Communist officials, and I am confident they will include much bickering over the human sex drive.

    Sounds like paradise? It isn't. It is stagnation in the purest definition. A self-induced communal alcoholic blur that keeps us locked as a species indefinitely into one position in the universe. Many people fight for this. Many people have died for this. Many people have a vested interest in making humanity nothing more than a controllable, predictable, self-replicating engine tha can be programmed for complex labor to be taxed. Some say as long as the masses are given what they want, there is no error in this mode of thought. Such people are short term fools.

    The universe has a wonderful way of throwing the dice and making it all fall apart.

    Leftist Posthumanism (as establsihed at Yalta) is evil because it embraces stagnation and planetary isolation. Right-wing Posthumanism supports expansion sustained by unchecked growth. It supports the volition of mankind to choose its destiny amongst the stars.

    I support the free will of mankind above all else, not in accordance to some religious dogma, but because humans are the ultimate transducers. We can convert anything into anything over a period of time, giving us an important role in how the rest of the universe is to be carried out.
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  8. menaz

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    I liked that bit at the beginning based on social-darwinism.
    There we have it, he's libertarian posthumanist advocating biolibertarianism.
    The end of history is near but who's history will win?
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  9. Cedric

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    No need. For the oompth time, I looked the answer up.
    Far from it; I’ve more than paid my dues over the years [in RM]. I would even encourage Ghet_for_Prez or Jeff to dig as deep as they want, and I’d come very clean.

    @alias’ [on RM] - Wherever you go, there’s always going to be a resident Yahunyahti floating around, these sick fucks. I look at the efforts that Ghet has been going through to expose Yahun, and they are very necessary [in my book], so I’m not one to bash on this particular flame/lulz. The only reason why Jeff doesen’t do anything about it is because at day’s end, RM is trafficking off of Ghet_for_Prez VS Yahun/Azeus. Though I appreciate Ghet for going above-and-beyond in this juncture, it’s not going to eliminate him for good. The only way to ultimately remove Jonathan Rex would be to scout him, and physically kill him. Of course this action is absurd, so for a cleaner option: it’s been at that point where for me, if I were in Jeff’s shoes, I’d handle-ban any leads pointing to Azeus’ presence because he does nothing but “corrupt conversations”, and in the long run his presence is liable for damage to RM’s net-wide rep. A board-wide poll would be in favor of this.

    This man has zero intellectual honor. Don’t believe that he’s still around? In this very thread, two of his many alias’ have popped up... /looks at johnny_spanish and Superman70; I look at these photo-intensive threads in the Lipstick Gallery, and can’t help but imagine what posturing Yahunyahti could be doing [with their pics] in another forum. Simple words of wisdom, watch what you expose of yourself online.
    True enough.
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    Naw, You don't require digging. I just never seen you before yet you didn't speak like a noob. So I was curious if you went by any other names a long time ago.

    I hope you weren't thinking I thought you were azeus.
    I never thought you were azues. I've had alot of conversations with azeus and you're nothing like him. If you were some form of arrogant diatribe would have spilled out by now. And Yeah I understand jeff is like Don King productions.

    That is the truth!!!

    The best way to asure azues never comes back would be to not undermind ghet's efforts. There is no reason for these bored retards on this site to attack ghet unless they are bored and just want to do it in spite. It would also help if these bored retards stopped entering azeus threads. It's not hard to discourage someone from posting on this site. You just ignore every little thing they do then repeat this process for about a month until the internet troll like azeus moves on.



    I don't think superman is azeus. Superman is just a smart ass.
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    Halerious on so many levels,Chaney.
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  12. Dex Lewis

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    ^The gritty realness is just too much for you to handle, nigga.
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  13. x - calli

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    im gonna come back and read more of this thread later.. this is very interesting

    but first im gonna go on a bit of a tangent..

    i always thought that nuking japan was justified, not because the end always justifies the means, but because a ground invasion would have been far more costly on both sides.

    do you think that japan couldve been overrun by socialists/bolsheviks? hadnt considered that possibility, although it wouldve been a terrible fate for that country. japan today would probably be a backwater if that happened
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  14. BlackSoultan Ad Infinitum

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    No one sees anything wrong with that thinking? [dunno]
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  16. Dex Lewis

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    You emotional peon.
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  17. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_August_Storm

    The only thing wrong with any line of thinking are people who come to emotional conclusions without knowing the full picture.

    The Soviets intended to invade Japan en masse.
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  18. RM Legend

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    I sent you a pm Ghet.
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  19. Cedric

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    Nobody thinks I’m him. He’s personally used aliases to engineer responses when debating, and that’s where part of the corruption has been.

    As far as Jeff, he knows that eliminating aliases would be a gift and a curse [like last time], so I’m not sure where his stance is in this.
    Smart would hardly be the term, but correct to ass. I’m thankful his question didn’t expand.
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    urban dictionary version of smart ass: "someone who thinks they are always right, and has illusions of grandeur. or some one who has a smart ass comment about every single goddamn thing" Correct,
    education is null and void.
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