Gender Stereotypes & Representation in Popular Media...

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  1. Phusion

    Phusion WoW This Name is Old

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    Do you ever think that part of the reason it seems so natural [women being more capable of "nurturing" and, thus, being the ones to work outside of the home less]in your mind is because it's an ideal you've been exposed to countless times in the media?
    No, I believe that if you strip away all socialism, culture, and media ideas, in the end the man is and will be looked at as the provider on an instinctual level. What I do feel is media influenced is the ego that goes along with men running the household, which in turn has made women (as a whole) strive to be seen as equal in a situation where they should already be equal anyway. What I fault the media for is making the mens responsibilities and duties seem more important than the womens to the point that the new age female feels insecure about fufilling that role in a relationship. I would say the media has done the same for men just roles switched, but I feel it is a 50/50 because there are men now who have no problem not embracing that role. While there are some who accept and look forward to it.


    Are fathers not capable of "nurturing" or "doing things properly" with their children? Why or why not?
    No, and a good father will nurture his child properly, but I don't feel this conflicts with the roles of parenthood.
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  2. Konscious

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    Tights, women are more nurturing because they generate a hormone (I forget what it's called) after they've given birth... this is to ensure the survival of the baby... this hormone is present in all female mammals... it will make a mother cat nurture a mouse even.

    Forget society... you can't totally discount the influence of natural, God-given hormones.

    Society doesn't always dictate... sometimes, it obeys natural order. Ever thought of that?
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  3. Yea but there are plenty of women who do not display this nurturing temperament, thus falsifying the theory that all women have the hormone and act in accordance with it.
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  4. samii so sexii

    samii so sexii ..sunkist siren..

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    ^^i agree.

    I care for people, and I have a sympathetic heart. But am I maternal? no. Up until recently, I didn't even want to have children. as a matter of fact, i HATED kids (i've had traumatic episodes because I used to babysite my neice and nephew...they are bad a FUCK! lol jp). Even worse than that, what about the unfit mothers that mistreat their children? i mean, not all women are the kind that are anxious, willing, and capable of just handling kids.
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  5. samii so sexii

    samii so sexii ..sunkist siren..

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    although I hate to say it (jp), I must agree. but even to a certain degree, society is more at fault than the media. we place so much value on the monetary aspect of men, and how much they can bring in and what not, that a woman cooking up a meal, or cleaning the house is viewed at as being insignificant in comparison to what men bring in financially. Hell, we (society in general) feel that if a father isn't present in the household, him sending a check every month is enough to replace him not being there.

    but i also see why women would want to seem "equal." Money is power. There are men that don't feel comfortable with their woman making more than them. Widely, men make more in the workplace than women. When it's your money, you can delegate where it goes, to whom it goes, and how much of it is going to be given away. So if a man is making all the money, even though his money supports the house, he has the leverage of his money to (IMO) do as he pleases, or make a decision for the houshold that his counterpart might not be cool with.

    I'm not saying all men do it...but the fact is, men have the option; they have better chances of being a breadwinner.

    when boys were young, im sure one male figure at one point told them they had to "be a man" by taking care of business and getting a job, because that's what their fathers did. Whereas my mom never told me what to do. When she was my age, all she wanted was to get married and have a family...because that's what women did. they got married and had kids. That illustrates the conditioning of how we think...it's generational.
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  6. Yea you're right it is generational Sami. I mean, in those days women wanted to get married and have kids, nowadays, men come out of the closet, announce they are gay and that they are having a baby with another man ( say named chad) and a surrogate mother.
    Times change
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  7. samii so sexii

    samii so sexii ..sunkist siren..

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    ^^ damn that was hella descriptive LoL

    but i feel you. times have changed, but the majority of society's views haven't changed with it.
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  8. Konscious

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    Dude, I said it's generated AFTER giving birth... you HAVE to be a mother... and yes, many people have hormonal imbalances.
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  9. Dude, Having it b4 or after giving birth makes no diference to the fact that it is falsifiable through experience. Additionally, if you name said mothers without said hormone (that supposedly causes them to be nurturing) to be imbalanced. You are in an underhanded way saying that these women are biologically abnormal because they do not fit into the natural order that you are using to push your agenda.
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  10. tight-eyes

    tight-eyes Such a F*cking Lady!

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    So, you believe that women who aren't especially "nurturing" are hormonally imbalanced?

    Wow.
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  11. tight-eyes

    tight-eyes Such a F*cking Lady!

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    I can agree with your point about media's [and media & society go hand-in-hand for me, b/c the media is but a social institution that reinforces prevalent social ideologies] influence on the value of certain "roles". However, I don't believe those "roles" are "natural", so I can't agree that a woman who chooses not to play into said "role" is going against her "nature".

    So if both parents are capable of nurturing a child "properly", what do you believe to be the "roles of parenthood"? And why?
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  12. Feminists will fight naturalness tooth and nail because the acceptance of biological divisions/masculine/feminine opens the doors to female subbordination and a reason to justify female opression of the past and present.

    Tights, are you saying though, that every generalized behaviour that we can observe in men and women was purely socially constructed without biology having any effect?
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  13. tight-eyes

    tight-eyes Such a F*cking Lady!

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    lol @ fighting "naturalness" tooth and nail. What is there to fight? Really?

    I'm not stating that it can't possibly be true... only that I'm not convinved that it is, and have seen nothing to persuade me to of such - popular opinions notwithstanding... so, no, I'm not going to adhere to a line of thinking that presumes it does.
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  14. tight-eyes

    tight-eyes Such a F*cking Lady!

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    As for your second question: until we can actually seperate humans from any type of socialization process, I can't say for sure.
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  15. Fighting the idea that man is masculine and woman is feminine and they stand divided as binary opposites with their own individual outlooks and purposes in life. Woman/nurturer/submissive Man/provider/Dominator

    Then why are you so sexist lol
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  16. tight-eyes

    tight-eyes Such a F*cking Lady!

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    Cause men ain't shit... lol.
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    just when I thought our relationship had blossomed through its infantile stages and become something truly fitting of us.

    but on the real..

    Come down of ya menstrual cycle and attend to your duties.

    Do you have plough experience?
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  18. tight-eyes

    tight-eyes Such a F*cking Lady!

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    You got me... that was hella funny... lol.

    No, sir. But I have plenty of experience with credit cards and telephone directories... so hand over the plastic, and I'll be sure to look up someone who does ;-) Taking the liberty of ordering myself a new pair of Manolo's, of course... you know, for my trouble.
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  19. Konscious

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    How many times must I type this?? I said, "MOTHERS." Have you ever seen a mother who wasn't nurturing? Why do you think every mother that kills her child(ren) gets sent to a psych ward or is found not guilty by reason of insanity?? Because it's not normal.

    Hormonal imbalances are very common... they're responsible for depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, and a whole host of other diseases and "syndromes."
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