gender discrimination against boys on public schools

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  1. UnbrokeN

    UnbrokeN Well-Known Member

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6224390?FSO1&ATT=HCP&GT1=8901

    MADISON, Wis. (AP) - A boy who wanted to compete on his high school's girls' gymnastics team cannot sue for gender discrimination, a state appeals court ruled Thursday.

    The District 4 Court of Appeals upheld a judge's dismissal of Keith Michael Bukowski's lawsuit against the Wisconsin Interscholastic Athletic Association, which has a rule prohibiting boys from competing in girls' sports.

    Bukowski filed the lawsuit as a junior at Stevens Point Area High School in 2004. He argued the WIAA rule preventing him from trying out for and competing on the girl's gymnastics team discriminated against him because his school did not have a boys' team.

    Bukowski argued that the rule violated the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution as well as a federal law known as Title IX, which prohibits sex discrimination in schools that receive federal funds.

    In a 3-0 ruling, the court said Bukowski failed to show that WIAA, a nonprofit organization of public and private high schools that sets rules for sports competition, could be sued under either argument.

    Bukowski didn't prove WIAA was an arm of the state that could be sued for the constitutional violation or that it received federal funding as required in a Title IX claim, the court said. The ruling backed a Portage County judge who came to a similar conclusion.

    Courts have previously ruled that letting boys compete on girls' teams jeopardizes opportunities for girls.

    Bukowski's attorney, Jared Redfield, said he would likely appeal to the state Supreme Court. He said the ruling means "the WIAA can discriminate at will, which doesn't make any sense at all."

    But Bukowski, who had competed in gymnastics at a local YMCA, argued the case was similar to recent examples of girls who were allowed to compete on boys' teams in football and wrestling.

    Redfield said female sports no longer deserved what he called a privileged status because participation among women has increased sharply in recent decades.

    "Why not treat the genders equally?" he asked. "If women can go on our football team and they can wrestle in tournaments, why in the world if there's no access for a male to participate in gymnastics should they not be on the girls' team?"

    But WIAA executive director Doug Chickering said females remain underrepresented in sports. He said allowing Bukowski to compete would have put pressure on WIAA to grant frequent requests from boys who want to play on girls' volleyball teams.

    "Our fundamental reason for denying participation was that we didn't want to see girls displaced from girls' teams by boys," he said.

    Bukowski graduated earlier this year so the legal fight by him and his mother would affect only other students in the future. Hundreds of students at his school signed a petition backing his efforts to compete in 2004 but courts rejected his attempts for a faster ruling that would have allowed him to compete.

    Bukowski, a student at University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point, may have lost an opportunity for a college scholarship as a result, Redfield said.

    Principal Mike Devine said the school does not have a boys' team because of lack of interest and he was following the WIAA rule in refusing to allow Bukowski on the girls' team. He said the school recently hired Bukowski as an assistant coach for the girls' gymnastics team.

    "We're glad to have Keith working with our kids right now. He does have some talent in gymnastics," he said. "Even though he couldn't compete with us, he's teaching our kids. That's a somewhat positive outcome for this."
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    UnbrokeN Well-Known Member

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    "Our fundamental reason for denying participation was that we didn't want to see girls displaced from girls' teams by boys," he said.''

    wow...thats feminism at its finest (or worst depening on your mind health). thats what i would call a double standart...having a female quote everywhere..ability doesnt matter anymore. thats every militant feminazis dream right there, have boys expelled from certain school projects. well done.
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  3. Ignorant

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    This is disgusting... equality down the toilet.


    Are men and women equal or not? You can't have it both ways.
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    Speedy, Leila, Id-X, Brit Boi Gee... where are you?

    I want to see you guys chime in on this.
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    dont worry they will flock in here soon enough...and make lame excuses for everything as usual..i e ''thats not what true feminism is about'' etc...horseshit

    sad enough, this is just one example of how feminist ideology has influenced gender politcs and social engineering these days.. feminists seek equality, at all possible costs. boys keep tracking behind on the educational field because the whle ssystem has been reformated to fit girls into educating themselves perfectly, no one gives a rats ass about our boys anymore. no worries because the backlash of reality will soon occur to the most stubborn social engineer.
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  6. Ignorant

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    ^I've never seen anybody address that particular statement yet, because what you say is true... the evidence shows it.

    Boys are falling behind, but all I see and hear is how girls are being "discouraged" away from math and science.
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    excactly. its all about girls girls girls and girls problems. women live on average 7 - 10 years longer than men. no one seems to give a rats ass, they just say ''its a man thing..their own fault'' and get it over with. no one wants to dig deeper. if women were to live on average shorter than men, dont you think there would be a cry out everywhere? feminists would say women are opressed and driven into an earlier death by men and anti female society instead of just accepting this as a fact...
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  8. Ignorant

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    It appears no one wants to argue this, Unbroken... anything that upsets a sensibility or a hardened ideology will go ignored.

    It goes to show you that feminists only deal with issues that concern FEMALES, not everybody.
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  9. UnbrokeN

    UnbrokeN Well-Known Member

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    hehe..

    why that name? you arent exactly living up to it at all my friend.
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  10. Ignorant

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    As for my name, Henry David Thoreau said it best, "how can we remember our ignorance, which our growth requires, when we're so busy using our knowledge all the time?"

    Whenever somebody disagrees with somebody else, especially on this message board, they're quick to wield the "ignorant" charge, as if it's a social class that doesn't apply to them. I would love to meet the person who knows everything.
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  11. Anidawehi

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    A few questions need to be asked:

    1. Is there a male gymnastics team at that school?
    2. Is there a female football or wrestling team at that school?
    3. Is he being denied participation in gymnastics or "women's" gymnastics? There is a difference. Women don't play on the men's basketball team and vice-versa.

    If there is no males gymnastics, then yes it is discrimination and should not be tolerated. If there is a male's gymnastics team then he has no case and should have no case.

    If there is a female football team at that school then no, women should not be playing football with the men. If there isn't, then they should be allowed to play if they qualify.

    I didread all of the article and these questions were not answered because that is how journalists function. They leave out logic in order to create a story out of something that simply holds no weight. The closest they came to answering the question was quoting the lawyer who said: "If women can go on our football team and they can wrestle in tournaments, why in the world if there's no access for a male to participate in gymnastics should they not be on the girls' team?"

    That doesn't say why he wasn't given access into male gymnastics. For all we know (as the reader) they may very well have a male gymnastics team and he simply didn't make the cut, so he tried out for the females team . . . which is ultimately much different than a female being capable of stepping up and competing with males in predominantly male sports.

    However, if his school (as I said above) didn't offer gymnastics for males, then by all means . . . he has a case. What you are neglecting to mention though is that this just went to case. Women had to take cases like this to court several times before the rules were changed so of course it will work the same both ways. To expect the WIAA to alter their rules without being forced to, is a little naive. The lawyer doesn't care about this kid's rights. The lawyer wants to get paid. His argument is built around the check that he will receive if he wins.

    Don't feed into the nonsense.
    Men and Women are equals in spirit.
    In ability they are not (aside from the rare exceptions). If you put Leila Ali (who is undefeated) against Roy Jones Jr. then of course she'll get laid out. If you put the best female pro-basketball player against a fairly good male college basketball player and they are the same height and same weight, she will lose in a one on one match up. Not all feminists are foolish enough to say that women can do anything men can do. Most of them are simply saying that "If" the woman can, then there is no reason she shouldn't be allowed to simply because she is a woman.

    Men are not created equally (in a worldly sense).
    Women are not created equally (in a worldly sense).
    Men and women definately are not created equally (in some aspects of life).

    Equality in the worldly sense is idiotic.
    Equality in the spiritual sense is valid.
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  12. MC Bill Buckner

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    it says clear as day that the school did not offer a male gymnastics class. lol. way to right a 15 page summary about something you didnt bother to fully read.
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  13. MC Bill Buckner

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    class. team. same thing.
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  14. Anidawehi

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    It doesn't say that the school doesn't offer males gymnastics.
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  15. Ignorant

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    ^Anida, you missed it... I copied the paragraph... go back up and read it again:

    "Bukowski filed the lawsuit as a junior at Stevens Point Area High School in 2004. He argued the WIAA rule preventing him from trying out for and competing on the girl's gymnastics team discriminated against him because his school did not have a boys' team."

    It's pretty clear that his school does not have a boy's team.
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  16. Anidawehi

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    Then yes, it is wrong. Equal opportunity does not only apply to females and the majority of feminists would actually agree. Some of you are making a grave error in assuming that all feminists are Marxist Feminists.
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  17. UnbrokeN

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    quality reply..thank you. you are correct this article isnt sufficiently researched at all, but he does have a case imo
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    - that isn't feminism
    - i don't support the ruling
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  19. Ignorant

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    Id-X, when you say "that isn't feminism," which you have often done in this forum, it makes us dissenters think that there is one lump group of feminism and not the many different levels that you and Speedy claim exist. So which is it? I'm confused. Aren't there feminists who have a superior and unfair mentality about gender relations or not?
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  20. identity-X

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    if an idea doesn't fall into any of the different feminist approaches it can't be called feminism.

    for certain there are those who self-identify as feminists who are critiqued by others in the field as having ideas that run counter to feminisms most basic principles. third wavers often(ish) criticize second wavers for doing this..
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