Fuck Pro Tools! ! !

Discussion in 'Audio Producers Discussions' started by Track Gunnaz, Jan 6, 2007.

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  1. eNfO

    eNfO YEEEAH BABY

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    wtf @ 18 tracks for 3 verses

    there are plenty of hits out there where they only use 1 vocal track for the whole song
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  2. Track Gunnaz

    Track Gunnaz GUNNA #1

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    I guess you're missing out, as well as anyone else who's never tried using 2 leads, 2 overdubs, and 2 adlibs panned and leveled correctly.

    Keep using 3
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  3. M.Maestro

    M.Maestro Ghost

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    lmaoo. this is true though
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  4. Arcane

    Arcane Alcoholic Roadie

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    yes, because we all love muddy inaudible vocals :):

    i can't think of an industry track that has more than 3 vocal tracks for a rap song...and that's still lead, adlibs and a cut in part where they'd need to do a second track because words overlap
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  5. Xabiton

    Xabiton RM Veteran

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    what is there to miss out on? Im not trying to knock you or anything I just can't see what using 6 tracks would bring to the table besides maybe a thicker vocal which could also be achieved with a warmer mic pre. What is there to miss out on?
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  6. Premize Prod

    Premize Prod aka reggie kush

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    wtf are u guys talking about. MOST choruses use at LEAST 6 tracks by itself. you guys talk like u know shit and u dont. wtf@tracks using 1 vocal track. nigga u done lost yo damn mind.
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  7. kid848

    kid848 Ya Boi Honesty

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    I've never seen his session files... BUT..

    I'd bet Joe Buddens uses 4-5 tracks for a verse... alot of his shit he def. has 2 leads, 2 ad libs and an overdub for certain phrases...

    And the hook on Hov's "Kingdom Come" I'm positive has 4-5 tracks to it...
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  8. cyi-borg

    cyi-borg New Member

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    wow

    easy fellas

    do whatever the fuck u want

    just make sure it sounds good

    obv diff people gon do diff shit diff ways... just whatever u do... whatever ure craft is.. make it sound good and stop comparin ad bein so fuckin close minded
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  9. urban_tactics

    urban_tactics aka johnny cockram

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    this nigga said "witch"

    lmaoooo
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  10. Track Gunnaz

    Track Gunnaz GUNNA #1

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    I mean of course you can't see it... you not on that level yet to see it.

    We are actually POLISHED over here. I dont know what kinda people you work with... but Me and everyone I fuck with can easily record a lead, overdub it and have it soundin damn there exactly like the first lead.

    When you add that perfection on the verse, the dubs, and the adlibs...then Pann them up nice... you get a good sound (even with my Pre Amp and Compressor)

    All the overdubs and layers we do would only be bad if it sounded sloppy...I cutt niggas off and re-do shit even if ONE WORD is off.

    But thats what seperates perfectionist from people like you.

    My formula is the shit
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  11. urban_tactics

    urban_tactics aka johnny cockram

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    i use 3 track per person.........
    1 lead vocal
    1 overdub
    1 adlibs

    i layer the hook 5 times........
    1 lead
    4 overdubs

    and i pan em......

    and often after this, theres no need for any reverb....

    so on average, i'm usin 14 - 20 tracks

    u prolly dont need more than 32, but then again...if u trackin your beat....yeah ur fucked.......thats why i use cubase.......
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  12. Track Gunnaz

    Track Gunnaz GUNNA #1

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    Muddy? Read the post above....

    And if you listen to Too Shorts shit he's been layering and panning since his albums from 88-89... what are you talkin about???

    You said it yaself - you just an engineer... so ya opinion to what is logical and needed to make anything in Hip Hop is pretty much invalid to me.

    Bottomline...I know my formula.
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  13. Track Gunnaz

    Track Gunnaz GUNNA #1

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    I'm gonna upload a sample of a 6 track recorded verse...
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    Track Gunnaz GUNNA #1

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  15. LCD Beats

    LCD Beats TYME President

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    bottom line: to each his own... nobody is right or wrong, everybody got their own way of recording... and i can vouch for the track gunnaz, they shit hot.
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  16. Track Gunnaz

    Track Gunnaz GUNNA #1

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    basically ^ ^ ^

    its all about the final product
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  17. F Major

    F Major Anti Gear Lust

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    Thank you! The way people track, record and stack their vocals usually is a major factor in having their own sound. How the hell can you say 6 tracks is wrong if thats part of their sound. There are plugins that achieve this "Double Tracking" effect, Waves has some for example. Anyhow, when you are dealing with a limited number of tracks you must use different techniques such as consolidating your tracks, you get a relative pan an level on tracks that work together as a group, and you consolidate them to stereo. You dont always need to have the tracks separated. Since you are on the computer you can always recall, mute tracks and steal voices from other tracks. The reality is that if you are using pro tools LE/M Powered, you probably arent putting a professional mix on your work where you need to be concerned with having control of the ever single individual track like that. Consolidation is your friend.
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  18. Xabiton

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    Whats to say that I havent worked with anyone whos polished? You haven't heard 1/4 of the material Ive done stop making assumptions. I listened to your sample track it sounds good I never said 6 tracks would sound bad tho I simply said I cannot imagine using that many tracks but Im not a fan of using dubs really. If you had heard anything else I've done outside of the Krestyle tracks you would be aware of that. I sounds to me more like thats all you know so you use that technique which is fine if it aint broke dont fix it. What I came here to do was offer an alternative way of thinking as well as learn something new about your recording technique which is why I asked in the first place. Nobody here likes sloppy shit get that thought out your head right now. Im not even sure where you get that idea from. Your formula may be the shit to u but right now it ain't workin for u and quite honestly I don't give a fuck. Enjoy your "perfection" if thats what you want to call it
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  19. Xabiton

    Xabiton RM Veteran

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    This is what I said from the beginning but he decided to shit on it so whatever fuck him. 6 tracks I think is a lot but then turnging around and going 30 seconds down the line in the song and using 6 more tracks when there is free space in the 6 tracks you just used is wasteful. Automation is your friend and I will leave it at that Im done with this.
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  20. Arcane

    Arcane Alcoholic Roadie

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    lol, no, they certainly don't have multiple lead vocal tracks

    50 cent, eminem, dre, kanye, luda, all the lil rappers, ti, jayz....all one lead vocal, one adlib track and MAYBE one other track filling in other shit, nothing more

    the thickness comes from using GOOD equipment and mixing well...a tight, close reverb with a half decent amount of predelay (ie. 25-40ms) will give the appearance of a second backing track, perfectly syncd with the origional adding thickness

    at least six tracks my ass

    hooks are maybe 3, and that's if you're doing some RnB type stuff
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