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  1. Savage Henry

    Savage Henry Well-Known Member

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    I've managed to avoid these conversations with Structure for so long, because I know they never end. I probably should have just not posted, regret is already setting in.
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  2. Thedude710

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    This thread was so much better, when we were talking about how Lush sucks at life..
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  3. 12345678

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    yeah i preferred that
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  4. jordank

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    honestly I think this is just a semantic distinction

    I mean when you say

    ""corporations" exist to serve the purpose of blanket protection via the corporate veil and to act as a standalone entity in order to facilitate ease of taxation and distribution of profits to shareholders."

    all of that enables the exact corporate philosophy I was talking about

    it's like the whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people argument". it's true, but the mechanism of doing so facilitates the actions.
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  5. Ravenous510

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    Except that there are far more low level shareholders and low level stakeholders in a corporation than there are high level share holders and high level stake holders, so the will of the majority is never served by a corporation.

    Now, you could argue that that's because the low level shareholders fail to get involved and communicate with each other in order to band together and impose their will, but there's no denying that the attitude of corporate boards in America toward low level shareholders is essentially "if you don't like how we're running the buisness, sell the stock"....also low level shareholders are not notified of corporate ventures in the same fashion that high level shareholders are ...

    Also, you talk about "ease of taxation"....you mean of course corporate personhood which began with Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad, a supreme court case from which corporations were granted "personhood" and permitted to be taxed as a sole entity instead of the multi-faceted, multi dimensional businesses that they are, (I'm talking about large corporations)....

    How did they attain this ruling by the supreme court? Through finance of politics and political sway. That case was the beginning of the end...
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  6. Ravenous510

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    Yes, information is readily available on the internet, however, the internet is full of obfuscation and misinformation as well. If you know which sites to visit, however, you can obtain valid information, but you also must remember that the rest of the country is not like the east coast and west coast. The east and west coasts, (post Mexican-American war in terms of the west coast, of course), of the U.S. have, throughout the country's history, been more progressive and "enlightened" than the southern and bible belt states.

    Also, it takes time and energy to research the internet....time and energy that most people don't have because they're working so hard to make ends meet in this economy...which is all part of the plan, imo....keep people busy working themselves to death, and they won't have time to keep track of what's going on....most people come home from work, and if they use the internet, they watch porn or if they do get news from the web, they get it from Yahoo....lmao...c'mon man...

    When did I say anything about a "secret conglomerate"? Honestly, man you're pulling this shit out of your ass. If you agree with me that a relatively small group of people control the majority of money transfers in the West, then you should also agree that this isn't a "secret" to anyone with half a brain....

    Actually....I was always hammin' it up in the GT tinychat actin' the fool for some yuks....I'm more myself on here....I'm pretty much angry most of the time and that's why I beat the shit out of myself in the gym....so I don't go out and hurt someone...
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  7. Ravenous510

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    Once agayn, we agreez.

    Lmao....how can you type the above paragraph in the face of the watered down bullshit that pervades the major news outlets? Yes....it is the job of the journalist to report the news....the cold hard facts.......but I ask you....how often do you see the "cold hard facts" reported on? The major news outlets rarely report the truth about what's going in Afghanistan, and when there is a story reported on, it's usually very one sided.

    And I think you're wrong....it's simply the job of a journalist to present a fair and balanced account of a story...it's fine to include possible motivations behind actions, etc. Yes, personal opinion should be omitted, (unless it's an opinion piece), but motivations and intentions are all part of a story, Henry. I also worked for a college newspaper once upon a time.

    What you're describing is a top-down chain of command structure. It's how a general controls an army, a lieutenant-general controls a corps, a major general controls a division, a colonel controls a brigade, a lieutenant colonel controls a battalion, a captain controls a company, a lieutenant controls a platoon, and a sergeant controls a squad. It allows the few to govern the many. Sometimes someone breaks rank and goes a.w.o.l., but for the most part this structure is extremely effective in controlling the actions of large groups of people.

    It's also how most large coroporations are structured. There are "flat" organizationally structured corporations and "tall" organizationally structured corporations. Most large corporations are "s-type" corporations with a "tall" organizational structure, and this includes most major news corporations.

    A "tall" organizational structure simply means that there are many positions in the chain of command between the top and the bottom strata of the company.

    It is making it into the news organizations of other countries, Henry. When was the last time you listend to Al Jazeera? The only story I was surprised to see on mainstream news in recent history was the Dawood military hospital scandal. I would have thought the military industrial complex would've been able to keep that one under wraps.

    Yeah...many places for them to go....with tiny viewerships or circulations that don't reach anywhere near enough people to be effective...c'mon man...

    Lmao...yeah...there's a "huge backlash" because everybody watches it. It's the same reason that everyone slows down on the highway when there's an accident...they want to see some unfortunate soul in a twisted wreck...they may feel incensed or guilty about it later, but they still watch it...

    Henry....when certain information is more readily available, and other information is made less readily available, it's the same thing as "hiding" information. Did you know the information listed in Google search results for your specific i.p. address is listed in the order of information that Google's intuitive search engine thinks you might want to read? Who is going to search that 25th page of links? I'm just using Google as an analogy....yes you can find information on the internet if you dig hard enough, but few people have enough time to dig, so they usually catch their news on T.V. while scarfing down their meal.
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  8. Eyerate

    Eyerate The Definition of Real..

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    the fuck are you talking about? youre comparing the corporate veil and tax structure to a gun? :funny:
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  9. Eyerate

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    again, the car scenario. if i own 90% of a business and 5,000 of you own the other 10%, the rest of you can get fucked. why should you have a bigger voice if you dont own a bigger piece? thats idiocy.

    no, im not referring to that. in fact, having a business taxed as a person would defeat the whole purpose and limit the benefits in the first place. thats the reason LLCs are so popular over sole props or partnerships... the 2 latter 2 are taxed as individuals or "people" while an LLC is taxed as a corporation. smh. youre a fucking jackass.
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  10. Soliloquy

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    Refuse to read the whole thread but the first 15/58 pages are ridiculous.
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  11. Ravenous510

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    First off, LLC's are taxed as individuals unless the members of the LLC elect otherwise. And yes, there are benefits to being taxed as a corporation, but there are also benefits to being taxed as an LLC or LLC - S-type, the biggest of which being the benefit of *gasp* limited liability.

    There are also fiscal advantages to being taxed as an individual, such as the ability to deduct debts from the value of taxable property.

    In addition, yes being taxed as a corporation can have its advantages, but my point with the corporate personhood argument is that it's terribly unhealthy for the economy to allow corporations to be taxed as individuals as well as treated as individuals in every other respect including the ability to donate unlimited sums to political campaigns.

    Also, in the case of most large corporations, there are many low level shareholders or owners of stock whose stock would, if united, equal a large percentage of the company's stock, but because they are kept in the dark about corporate endeavors, etc, they don't ever get to excercise their rights as shareholders.
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  12. SunkenDPr0

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    does ravenous ever type something under 61289368126312868 words
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  14. Eyerate

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    wrong. LLCs are NOT taxed as individuals. you just said it yourself, owners can elect how the entity is taxed. i dont know a single person who uses an LLC as a passthrough. you can ELECT to do it that way, but you can also choose FIFO as a way to tax your securities and thats almost never the smart way to play either. just because you CAN do something doesnt mean thats how people actually do it.

    you can fully write down the value of company property under any corporate structure. im not sure what youre getting at.

    again, who gives a shit if common stockholders dont band together? any and all relevant information can be found in the SEC filings. any personal inner workings as far as direction of the corporation day to day are made by the ELECTED board and officers of the company. these are people the shareholders vote in to handle these tasks, as individual votes for every decision would be absolutely impossible. what youre advocating is polling the shareholders individually for every decision, which is logistically impossible and not what the common stock system was put in place for. when you buy common stock, you arent buying ownership in terms of directing a company, youre buying a piece of that company and the direction its headed. if you would like to have your voice heard louder than the rest and steer the ship yourself, you better be prepared to purchase a controlling share(or in many cases, a significant shareholders views(10%+ in large caps) will be held in higher esteem).

    in conclusion, shut the fuck up, retard.
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  15. serge

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    If you scroll down this page fast it's like The Matrix.
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  17. 12345678

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    wtf is tinychat someone needs to do a glossary of internet stuff coz half the stuff ppl mention on here i havent got a clue what theyre on about
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  18. Ravenous510

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    Uuhhhh....

    So the default for an LLC is a pass through entity. You're wrong. You have to make a decision with the other members of your LLC and then file to be taxed as a corporation.

    Look, I'm not going to pretend to fully understand the ridiculously intricate American corporate tax code, but from what I've read so far, C-corporations are taxed specifically on gross income and are not allowed to deduct liabilities from assets before taxes.

    Precisely. A significant shareholder's views will be taken more seriously. But in reality, the many various smaller shareholders (of a C-corporation, of course as an S-corporation can only have 100 shareholders total), do make up a significant portion of the corporation's ownership, and while they may be able to vote in members of the board, they have no say over the direction they take the company in, nor do they have any say on how much board members are paid...and don't bring up the Dodd-Frank act...please....the "Say on Pay" provision is a joke....if you don't see the problem in this, then you're just fucking stupid.
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  19. Ravenous510

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    This was also an excellent post made by Jordan. I somehow have a feeling that you have a better understanding of economics than both myself and Eyerate.

    Truth be told, I've only had two business classes, and the rest of my schooling has consisted of the completion of my g.e. requirements. I'm applying to 4-years now, though and will have my econ classes coming up soon. I can't wait to obtain some formal education in these fields, tbqh.
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  20. mdk

    mdk i dump and i sprout

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    Yo struc ur just now applying to 4 year schools? What have you been doing these past 3 years, just jc?
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