For those that accuse Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) of being a pedophile

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  1. RapCritik

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    Imperial....Read my post before this one. The post just before your last post. I actually agreed with your argument.

    Also, what I said was that Christians don't think Jesus is "Allah". They think Jesus is one with God "The Father"... yes there's other old testament names for God but none of them are "Allah" .....

    So no, Christians don't think Jesus is Allah .... and neither do muslims ....

    Now as to cultures and countries that practice preteen marriage today.... Even tho I conceded in my last post that in another time marriage and sex with 9 year olds could possibly be something godly....I don't think it can be godly in today's world of internet and satellite TV. Sex in today's world is casual. Sex in today's world is most exciting when it's illicit. No culture is insulated from this. I don't agree with subjecting a 9 year old to that.
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    @ BOLDED: I could show you way more christians who will disagree with that statement.

    At the last sentence in your paragraph: It's still legal and exists and various cultures and countries today. How many times will I have to post this to get this through your head?

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  3. RapCritik

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    I'm not arguing if it exists and is legal in today's world ...I'm arguing that it's not right in today's world. In your Prophet's time and place, perhaps it was godly. In today's world with the internet and everything ...sex with a girl that young is suspect.

    How can you marry a nine year old and then turn on your TV and watch Baywatch or Sex In The City or Law & Order: Special Victims Unit....or surf the web and watch porn ..... sex in today's world is not what it was in Mohammed's time and place.

    @ other stuff: Most Christians think Jesus is "God" ...zero Christians think Jesus is "Allah" ..... if Imperial thinks "God" is "Allah", that's her faith, not a Christian's faith. To a Christian "God" is not "Allah" ... I know it's hard for you as a muslim to step outside your faith and understand the simplicity of what I'm saying.
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    Arab Christians refer to god as 'allah' as for 'allah' not being in the bible, it actually is. 'Elah' or 'Alah' from the bible is no different from Allah. Elah is the Plural of Eloh. This is simply a part of simitic linguistics, you'd be surprised how similiar amhairic and hebrew are to arabic.

    http://www.jamaat.net/name/name4.html

    As for the whole norm thing, i think we were talking about indeginous tribes and other societies that exist far from technology.. such as bedouin arabs and indeginous africans and south americans
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  5. Imperial1

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    God and Allah are the same thing.

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  6. RapCritik

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    To you. But you're failing to understand that faith is subjective. Your beliefs don't apply to everyone, especially not to Christians.
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    I dunno....regardless of what that link says, "Elohim" and "Allah" are not the same word.

    Wasn't "Allah" the moon God of Arabia before Muhammed Prophesied? Allah was one of many Gods Arabia had. Isn't that why the crescent moon is a muslim symbol?

    This convo has taken a weird turn since I admitted Mohammed wasn't a pedophile.

    Where it will go next I cannot imagine.
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    They're still the same thing. Allah is God in the arabic language. In the Qu'ran, instead of saying God, we say Allah. So when we say Jesus is NOT Allah, were also saying Jesus is NOT God. But it's the hardheaded christians who won't see it that way.

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    No. (keyword: moon god. One of the many christian-made lies about Islam)

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    'Alilah' was a pagan god of the arabs, not Allah. 'Allah' comes from the Amharaic name for god which is 'Allaha' And its not a matter of what that link says its a matter of fact like it or not.
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  11. RapCritik

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    Didn't the arabs before Mohamed also give god a female counterpart? A goddess equal to Allaha? Her name was Allahu....

    And didn't Mohammed originally dedicate a few verses to her praise and worship in the Koran...and then they got edited out and labeled the "satanic verses" ......

    look it up and tell me I'm wrong.
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  12. Thrilla-Ali

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    No, none of that's true.. Allaha was never a name for a pagan god. And yes the arabs did have godess' and gods alike but there are no verses dedicated to them in the quran nor where they ever mentioned. That's bogus information propagated by a bogus man. The same dude that invented the moon god theory also supports nazi's if im not mistaken.. guys a moron stop readin google material dude lol
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  13. RapCritik

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    Hey I've spoken to other muslims about Salman Rushdie and his book, The Satanic Verses. What they've failed to realize, as you do, was that the author was not calling the Quran or its verses satanic. He was referring to a documented incident in Mohammed's life.

    The title refers to an incident in the ministry of the Prophet Muhammad where verses for the Qur'an were allegedly spoken by Muhammad as part of the Qur'an and then withdrawn on the grounds that the devil had sent them and deceived Muhammad into thinking they came from God. These "Satanic Verses" are described by Ibn Ishaq in the first biography of Muhammad, and form a subplot of the novel. The disputed verses allowed for prayers of intercession to be made to three Meccan goddesses: Allāt, Uzza, and Manah - a flagrant violation of the Islamic principle of monotheism.[12]

    The phrase Arab historians and later Muslims used to describe this incident, however, was not 'Satanic verses,' but gharaniq ("birds") verses. The phrase 'Satanic verses' was unknown to Muslims. It was coined by Western academics specializing in studying Middle Eastern culture (most notably William Montgomery Watt's Muhammed, Prophet and Statesman,[12] according to scholar Daniel Pipes). When the title of the book was translated into Arabic, "verses" was translated as "ayat," a term applied not for scriptural verses in general, but solely to the verses of the Qur’an. Hence Muslims who read that translation assumed Rushdie was claiming the Qur'an was Satanic.


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    So that's it. Do some real research into your religion. Or just accept what you're told. I don't mind. I'm sure you didn't even bother to read this. -shrug-
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  14. Thrilla-Ali

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    Do some research into my own religion? What a joke.. you still haven't learned a thing. No-one believes in that twisted fairy tale that the devil influenced the last prophet to write satanic verses, consult an authoratative speaker on islam like an imam if you don't take my word for it. Stop being such a 'google scholar' and think for yourself for once..
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  15. RapCritik

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    Muslim Arab scholars documented this. It's Not a "twisted fairy tale" as you call it ... but I know why you did call it that. It's a nightmare that threatens the dream of your faith...so of course you can't acknowledge it for what it is.

    Arab scholars far smarter than you are aware that this happened.

    It's not something made up in a novel. The novelist took the historical fact of it happening and made it part of a larger fictional story.
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  16. Thrilla-Ali

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    Okay show me which scholars can reinforce what your stating, name names.. otherwise keep it to yourself because bigotry is a sin even in your own faith. These so-called satanic verses and this so-called event is alegged by people who want to not only tarnish the image of the religion but destroy its very fabric as well. This story does exist in islamic literature however its not authentic (sahih), its very weak. Every religion has literature or chronicles like that not only islam. We have different variations of strength when it comes to religious literature.
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    Roger that. Over and out.
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