First ten words of the Bible....trinity of trinities

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  1. TheBigPayback

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    THEY ARE. Christ is God in flesh, the holy spirit is God in spirit, the God head is God.

    They are different entities, but a part of the same God. They have some different qualities, that has to do with the individule ROLES that they play. But one God.
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  2. Shadow

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    You water analogy represents states or phases not entities or beings.

    We and Us doesn't mean he is 3 people but makes it more logical that there is 3 separate things more than anything
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  3. Coup d'état

    Coup d'état Don't believe the hype

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    Shadow, you are trying to bring God down to earth and to fit him around your human comprehension...none of us can do that. That is silly man. What is mans wisdom to Gods ?

    God is not a thing you can grab, split into to and be both individuals man.


    It seems like we could go on and on....I guess we are agree to disagree.

    One thing is for sure, That Christians the world over, and throughout the 2000 year old history of the Church recognized as much as you disagree with.

    So, why ?

    What Church do you belong to ? Who is teaching you this stuff ?
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  4. Shadow

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    you mean "the father" not the God head....


    so one is flesh version, one is the spirit version and the other is......
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  5. TheBigPayback

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    The father is the God head of the trinity.
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  6. TheBigPayback

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    But yes. I have no problem with the rest of that.
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  7. Shadow

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    How am i bring him down to earth?

    You have yet to show me a scripture where it says the father, the son and the holy spirit are one being
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  8. TheBigPayback

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    In genesis when it say 'the spirit of God hoovered across the face of the deep' - that was the holy spirit.
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  9. Shadow

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    But isn't the head, the strongest or highest of the others?
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  10. Shadow

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    that scriptures says they are the same being?
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  11. TheBigPayback

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    Ok look at it like this. Jesus is Elohiem meaning god 'with us.' God is God with or without us. The holy spirit is God IN us. They are all different entities, but equal WITH God because they ARE God. Listening to the holy spirit would be listening to God.
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  12. TheBigPayback

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    Yes.

    Would your spirit be differnt than you? With or without a flesh body?

    What if ur spirit were more sensitive would that be any less u?
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  13. Shadow

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    So basically they are Gods not God


    How can my flesh have a spirit? God is a spirit thus why that scripture says that.
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  14. Coup d'état

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    Ill just keep out of this Shadow. Seems like you and pb are having a good discussion bro...
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  15. TheBigPayback

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    No God the father. Remains enthroned. In heaven.

    He spoke the words. The spirit was the one hoovering. But it was God in the spirit.

    Stop twisting my words tho U ARE your spirit. With or without a flesh 'body' u are u. The same spirit and soul that can be saved and enter the afterlife is the actual u. The body is ON you so U can interact with this physical world.
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  16. eashaya

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    That is a great analogy, simple, concise and elegant. Assuming you’re familiar with Dualism (see Rene Descartes’ philosophy of mind), we can apply this body-soul hylomorphism (consciousness separate from body) notion to the trinity being discussed: God, as in (the state of) the Father in Heaven, and the Holy Spirit, (the state of) His divine influence that dwells in each and every one of us (I will address the issue of Jesus, God incarnate, the third aspect of the trinity momentarily). Without knowing the form or composition of God, this is all of course mere speculation using the philosophical knowledge of man and the Inspired Word of God. However speculative it may be, it presents a logical explanation to two parts of the trinity of the Godhead.
    The explanation of Jesus as God incarnate; God himself in human form, albeit a separation of the Father in Heaven, is not so easily explained. However, again emphasizing that we cannot know the form or composition of God, it is certainly more than conceivable. And from a believer’s point of view, it is certainly most probable. Much as a believer of the evolution hypothesis cannot explain the apparent lack of evidence regarding transitional fossils or the sudden appearance of complex life, among other points of contention, only more so - depending upon your faith, of course.
    God (the state of God in Heaven; water), Jesus (the state of God incarnate; ice), Holy Spirit (the state of God in consciousness; steam). I will be using this analogy, though I will be sure to credit you when doing so.
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  17. TheBigPayback

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    Word.
    An no need. If it helps someone to catch that "ah ha" moment thats enough for me.
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  18. Coup d'état

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    that was mind= blown. great analogy. That's poetry right there
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    true.. but if you sin against the holy spirit (reject the spiritual conviction it gives you) then you will harden your heart to the truth about jesus and ultimately forsake God by not accpeting it for what it trully is..

    you got to look at the context of those verses as well .. he was addressing the pharisee's b/c: Jesus tells the Pharisees, in verses 31and 32, that they have committed the Unpardonable sin by blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Because they said that the spirit that is working through Him delivering(healing) people is not the Holy Spirit but a demonic Spirit Mark 3:30 gives up more specific information by saying, “because they said that Jesus had an unclean spirit.” They attributed His good works while He was personally there in the flesh to an unholy Spirit.

    he was mad that they compared HIM to satan..casting spirits out in the name of Beelzebub... b/c they blasphemed the spirit .. they blasphemed the son of man and the spirit.

    Blasphemy of the spirit has nothing to do with being saved and losing your salvation, those who blasphemed were unbelievers not believers. No believer would ever say Jesus did his miracles by a demonic spirit. Mt .12:24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.” The context of this contention is “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned” (Matt 12:37). What they confessed about Jesus and the power He did His work by will determine what side one is on (are they for or against him).
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