Evolutionist:

no. i think there is a supreme being. but i am unwilling to attach it to any of the faith man has written in a book and told us we should obey. if anyone can convince me otherwise I'm agnostic. but so far, I haven't experienced anything to convince me I should join a church.
we just didnt appear from nowhere. and we are a unique species because of our chromosomes, there may have been evolution on this planet but I don't think ours was completely natural.
at some point, somethin happened to some monkeys and we came out of it.

and that something wasn't any form of evolution.

so lp, how are you sure that there is in fact a name to this supreme being?

my main problem is that anything written by a mans hand has his own touch to it..

and some of anything can be complete fiction. like imo, the book of mormon.

The bible doesnt claim to be of man. Read john 1

ah. LP i feel that. ive never had anyone explain that faith to me like that.
that's not too far from my way of thinking but i dont have a faith.
sometimes i wish i did. faithful people are more content.
i wish i was raised to believe something but it's very hard for me now.



i have a bible. so ill check out john 1, right now.

i'll be getting a koran soon so if you wana message me any specific reading, ill check it out asap.

looking for hope. some kind of faith. never was raised to believe.

LP, answer this honestly:

Have you ever read anything about evolution that isn't on a website (and most probably a very biased one) or maybe an introductory textbook? I'm not saying that as an insult. It's good to challenge scientific theories - that's the whole point - but it has to be done in the right way. The questions you're raising are the result of misunderstandings or not enough research. They've already been answered in detail. If you really want the answers, then you need to actually look for them.

how could we have possibly evolved from apes when losing two chromosomes is the final act..

opening bible. john 1.. uhh... . hmm. this feels strange to me.

i can not find john . whats it between.

evolution is in no way blind faith. blind faith is believing in something that makes no sense and can't be proven. Example: a god listening 24/7 to everyone in the world, all humans coming from adam and eve, god snaping "his fingers" and creating the world in seven days, heaven and hell existing, etc it goes on and on.

evolution has its holes as many other scientific theories but they are miniture holes, man made religions have grand canyon gaps in all its logic and claims

edit: found john. woot

edit edit: these pages are really thin.

I think a large part of being a true believer of a religion is to place those gaps in the realm which God has taken care of. but.. I'm not an expert on the subject. I've just spoken with my gf about it

i just read it. i dont see where it says that.
the part that stuck out to me is he that is with faith but in darkness.....""
you know the rest. if you'd be so kind as to point out which number of john 1 thats in ive been trying to find it for a while.

the concept of faith in your girlfriend is a good thing. But taking many men's word of what god is, take some old stories, mix em all up, and 50 years after jesus dies or so give or take, there's the bible

I think we've already gone over this in some regards.

Now granted its some guess work on the actual composition of the early atmoshpere but the Miller-Urey Experiment Wiki Page shows that with the right elements in the air a chemical reaction to create more complex building blocks of life is possible.

Even re-testing the results 50 years later with better equipment gave way to more amino acids and such in the results. Also known as the basic building blocks of protein and therefore life.



And all that has pretty much nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is pretty much a fact at this point even without the concept of Abiogenesis being 100% proven. But still there is more scientific studies done which supports the theory of Abiogenesis then exists for facts supporting the theory of a God.

i dont either but .. the way they describe hell is to forever suffer the torment
of your sins. i dont believe in an afterlife at this moment in time.
so the way i look at it now, living a life of sin is hell.
it is more brutal then i'd like to admit.
going to read the bible for the first time hoping to learn something.