can there really be any such thing? the atheistic position is predictable enough. i'm not talking about moral relativity. say the world is created by god. can he really have let in a force that he is fundamentally opposed to? where could this mysterious force have come from if not from the supreme creator? don't try to use man's free will as an excuse. he only has the same freedom that every other creature has. [youtube]xZRw0IYdf3g[/youtube] [youtube]DCDPYgqdLjg[/youtube] who could in all honesty call that evil? it'd be evil if a person did it cause we expect people to 'know better.' if the animal is ignorant to evil then how can he be guilty of it? yet ignorance does not erase the deed itself. where does this malicious behavior arise from other than the very nature of the world we live in? the lion is not evil because the lion is only acting in accordance to his nature. my take: there is joy, and there is suffering. we make joy into good and suffering into evil. it is both an emotional response to reality and a practical tool for regulating behavior.