Em's album leak

Discussion in 'Emcee Hookups' started by Con God, Sep 4, 2004.

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  1. Shawn Acrimony

    Shawn Acrimony New Member

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    Don't matter OMG thats why they're called opinions..

    everyones differs....

    Mine is different than yours

    and Some one elses is different than mine..

    Its all a matter of taste and who we feel influneces us more than someone else
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  2. yo momma

    yo momma New Member

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    I know...

    I wouldnt have to look it up.

    Im 18...

    Age thing just got pissed on...

    Momma is dope...

    Word....
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  3. Old Man Grundle

    Old Man Grundle New Member

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    then help may name some emcees that have done something that are directly infleunced by em?
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  4. Ghetto Vampire

    Ghetto Vampire Devil's Son

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    ...Yeah, its been recoreded, comes out on November 16th...
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  5. TRAP.

    TRAP. i'm soo old school.

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    you pulled that out of your ass.
    he wasn't even speaking on that, nor the word was ever typed.
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  6. Shawn Acrimony

    Shawn Acrimony New Member

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    lol @ Trap

    you know.. these discussion never go anywhere
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  7. Old Man Grundle

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    Opinions is different from overwhelming theories that have been announced. i.e jordan best ball player ever. babe ruth being the best baseball player ever, walter johnson.

    those are concrete statements made by hsitorians, authors researchers who knwo what they are taking about. I taken classed on hip hop, read every book imaginable out there, listened to more hip hop that i can recall.

    your 14 maybe read the source a few times, heard a few old school albums. or something

    but you have no credibility of voicing what you call an opinion. im not giving opinions, im trying to announcea statement backed by much evidence. not an opinion.

    opinion = blue is MY FAVORITE Color

    theory/factual based statement=the SKY IS black

    so your opinion is that your favorite color is pink
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  8. Old Man Grundle

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    its like this

    in my eyes my favorite basketball players all time are
    charles barkley
    mitch richmond
    and scottie pippen

    but the greatest basketball players all time wouldnt include them as top 5 or 10
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  9. yo momma

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    Slick Rick -

    Eminem
    Talib Kweli
    Kanye West
    Jay Z
    Nas
    Shit 2 pac even said he was partical
    Mos Def

    Kool Moe Dee -

    Rakim (the so called originator)
    LL hahaha

    BDK -

    Dre
    Big
    Pac
    Nas
    Snoop

    Kool G Rap -

    Name people who aint...


    Common -

    Im not too sure, The obvious are Kweli, Kanye etc
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  10. Old Man Grundle

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    influenced by Eminem

    not influencing Eminem
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  11. Shawn Acrimony

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    No.. because someone..such as a historion, authors, researchers say Jordan is the best.. babe ruth is the best, etc. etc. That doesn't make it fact. That is there opinions that they are trying to press on someone else. If you say something enough times, write something down enough times, it slowly becomes true to people because thats all they hear.

    Babe Ruth is not the greatest. One of them yes. But not the greatest.

    That as if saying Rocky Marciona is the greatest boxer ever. Can you contend that he's not. The man never lost a match, but others will say Ali is.. its been published, its been stated, researched. But still an opinion.

    and I'm sorry but a theory is not a factual statement.. it is something that is believed to be true. something that is left to be proven to be true.

    We need oxygen to survive - Fact
    We had a civil war - Fact

    Facts are actual event or theories that have either happened or been proven to be true.

    Everything else.. is either wrong or opinionated.

    Don't contend minds with me.
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  12. yo momma

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    Ow...

    It takes a while....

    Slick didnt have Nas the day after thinking 'damn, ima do that story shit'

    People didnt consider Pac goat till he died... Even then it didnt really hit off till Biggie died too...

    It takes more than 5 years son...
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  13. Old Man Grundle

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    To make an opinioninto factual statment/logical statement

    you need evidence adn reasoning

    im pointing out that lil hot sauce has none of that to prove why i said eminem isint one of the all time greatest emcees, he myabe his favorite (opinion) but with out factual evidence, reasoning or some explanation

    his statment is still an opinion

    i believe alot and understand waht authors say and dont just them as opinions. they are factual premisses/conclusion backed with reasoning and evidence.


    thats all im asking for is the reasoning and evidence

    this has nothing to do with favorites etc

    he made a statement and didnt back it up

    making it a stupid opinion any jow blow has the right and can have.
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  14. Old Man Grundle

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    Longevity and Consistancy play a role as well i realize that, and so does direct effect and latter effect.
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  15. Old Man Grundle

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    Factual


    Of the nature of fact; real.
    Of or containing facts.

    a factual statement woudl be like Slick rick is one of the greatest emcees (thesis). etc etc evidence why with facts etc etc. he dropped this album which was pioneerring such that it bla blah



    i babe ruth hit 714 homreuns in his career is a fact

    but factual statements pertain facts that lead to your thesis
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  16. Shawn Acrimony

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    Still when it comes to things of this nature..

    Such as music, sports, actors, etc. etc.

    All you have is opinions. Everyone brings reasoning to the table ( well almost everyone) but all that is, is there opinion on why so and so is the greatest.

    I don't disregard your statements.. I'm open to all discussions.. but these ones of this nature never go anywhere. Maybe Em is one of the greatest to Sauce. Maybe he's influenced him some how. His stuggles to get where he is today.. the way he lives his life.

    You want facts.. look at Ems record sales. What Rap Artist do you know has sold more then him in 3 albums. Name one.

    That alone could make him one of the greatest...if he can sell that much. Besides artist who are trying to make it in the business say Em helped influneced me.. he made me want this more.. or he made me try harder on this track then I ever had.
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  17. Shawn Acrimony

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    Hank Aaron hit more HRs

    Therefore with that statement it would make him better.

    Nolan Ryan Hold the career SO record. that would make him the greatest...
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  18. Old Man Grundle

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    THANK YOU

    you are smart. if sauce said something along that lines then i would accept his opinion as valid and credible because he put reasoning behind thanks


    my point is made(it never had anythign to do with names, if this thread inlcuded any of the names i listed id done the same)


    your a good man shawn lol
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  19. Old Man Grundle

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    yeah but holding records doesnt make you the best. it is used as evidence in reasoning for explaing why though. but doesnt autmoatically make them the best. im a stat guy and could run down stats frome 1912 about shoe sizes of major leagues but my oponion is based upon that, influences, era's etc etc. doesnt always means they the best.
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  20. yo momma

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    You saying that he didnt have face value?

    The duke has the respect of Black rappers Id never imagine he would... He was off the back of Vanilla Ice... He was fucking up the industry before white America had heard of him...

    Obviously he has influenced people already, they just aint surfaced...

    Rakim and Pac influenced shit loads...

    You didnt see rappers pop up with in years claiming they were influenced... Like I said Pac even had to die for people to say he influecned them (Im not talking popularity death shit)
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