Or at least the age where a kid can be held responsible maybe lowered? Not saying in terms of at 18 they're adults, I'm talking about committing crimes. Back maybe 10-12 years ago in a town adjacent to my old hometown there was this clique. I went to HS with the leader, he was a douche TBH, smaller guy maybe like 130 Lbs. but a bully, he was a legitimate Olympic level amateur boxer. Years after HS, I got to know him personally a little bit he was OK but still somewhat of a douche. So this clique started getting into selling drugs around the town, from weed to heroin. What ended up happening maybe 5 years ago though is they also built a casino nearby to there was an influx of "riff-raff" which seems to always happen with casinos destroying neighborhoods. So "real gangs" started moving in, needless to say they weren't happy with this little clique running shit in the little town. Shit began to escalate between the two, with neither side backing down. So what ended up happening I heard was one day two kids who were 13-14 years old staked out this guy's house, and figured out his schedule. They waited in his driveway, underneath his car, for him to back out and when he did they came up and shot him in the head. And shit like this gets done by gangs on a regular basis where they have minors carry out the dirty work. IDK if the kids were tried as adults, I know it was up in the air as to whether they would be or not. But my thing is how or why was it even up for debate when these kids were obviously well aware of what they did, regardless of age.