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  1. Coup d'état

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    Disproving the Trinity

    *to understand why the trinity is forced and pushed into scriptures is to understand the Babylonian mysteries still practiced today...there is nothing new under the sun brothas & sistas*

    Elohim = what most call "GOD"

    Yahshuah = "jesus" though "Jesus" is not the MessiYAH's name

    Yahuwah/YHWH = The real name of our Father.


    "Yahuwah catches the wise in their craftiness."

    If one just clears away all the confusing cobwebs and looks at it simply and clearly, the doctrine of the Trinity is remarkably easy to completely refute.

    This article presents only one of numerous ways to disprove the Trinity. Robert Bowman Jr., a Trinitarian apologist, writes that Trinitarians must affirm ALL of the following points in order to affirm a belief in the doctrine of Trinity. And he is correct. All the following points must be affirmed to be a believer in the doctrine of the Trinity. (In other words, if you say you believe in the Trinity but you disagree with any of the points below, you don't know what you are talking about). Bowman also admits that if ANY one of these points can be disproven, the doctrine of the Trinity is thereby proven false. And that is correct and true. ALL of the following points absolutely must be true for the Trinity to be true. If any one of them is proven to be false, the entire doctrine is false.

    1. There is one Elohim (i.e., one proper object of religious devotion).

    2. The one Elohim is a single divine being, Yahuwah.

    3. The Father of our Master Yahshuah the MessiYAH is Elohim.

    4. The Son, Yahshuah the MessiYAH, is Elohim.

    5. The Holy Spirit is Elohim.

    6. The Father is not the Son.

    7. The Father is not the Holy Spirit.

    8. The Son is not the Holy Spirit.

    Trinitarian Point 2 - The one Elohim is a single divine being.

    That there is the one Elohim is a single divine being is affirmed. However, Bowman's intentional selection of language is employed to at the same time deny that Elohim is one person. That the one Elohim is not one person is disputed by the Scriptures. That the one Elohim is a single person is shown by the following Scriptural facts:

    The one and only Elohim of Yahshuah the Ysraelite man born under the Law and an obedient servant of the Shema, "YAHUWAH our Elohim, YAHUWAH is one," was, and is, the Father alone, who Trinitarians admit is one single person.

    The very purpose of singular personal pronouns is to signify a single person is being identified. In the Bible, Elohim profusely refers to Himself as a singular "Who", "I", and "Me" and inspires His prophets to refer to Him as a singular "You", "He", and "Him" in passages where He declares that He Himself is the only Elohim, there is no other, there is no other besides Him, and there is no other like Him.

    Since the very purpose of singular personal pronouns is to signify a single person is being identified, we must conclude that Elohim was deceptive to lead the Israelites into thinking He was one person when He was actually three, or we must conclude in common sense that these singular personal pronouns are used of the one Elohim in this manner because the one Elohim is in fact one person.

    Yahshuah and the Jewish scribe indicate to us how the Shema is to be understood when they qualify the words "YHWH is one" by indicating it means "there is no other but HE." Since neither the Jewish scribe, nor Yahshuah, worshiped anything other than a one person Elohim, and since Yahshuah declared that the Jews "worship what we know," we must conclude that Yahshuah knew who the one Elohim was and was not and that one Elohim was the Elohim of Yahahsuah, his Father alone.

    Since the Father is one person, the Bible identifies the one Elohim as one person at 1 Corinthians 8:6 where it says, "there is one Elohim, the Father."

    Trinitarian Point 4 - The Son, Yahshuah the MessiYAH, is Elohim.

    That Yahshuah is the one Elohim is disputed by the Scriptures. Since this particular point tends to be the main obsession of Trinitarians. Only a few brief points will be made here to demonstrate that the Scripture disputes this Trinitarian claim.

    There are 3 possible ways to disprove the statement "Yahshuah is Elohim." First, we could find a statement in Scripture that insists the Son is NOT Elohim. No such statements exist in Scripture. Of course, no such statement exists that says the Son is not a space alien either but this does not give us a license to suggest that he is a space alien.

    Secondly, we can demonstrate that there is no evidence that the Son is "Elohim." Most of the information is devoted to demonstrating this fact and exposing the logical fallacies behind Trinitarian claims on that point and so we will not discuss that particular point here.

    The third way is to find a statement where someone else claims that he alone is Elohim and only he is Elohim, such as the Father of Yahshuah. If we were to accept such a statement from Elohim to be true then we must confess the doctrine of the Trinity is false. But does such a statement exist? Yes.

    Do you thus repay Yahuwah, O foolish and unwise people? Is He not your Father who has bought you? He has made you and established you.... See now that I, I am He, and there is no Elohim besides ME. (Deuteronomy 32:6, 39).

    Here, Yahuwah, YHWH, identifies himself as the Father and He declares there is no Elohim besides "ME". He says "there is no Elohim besides "ME." Who is "Me?" The Father has identified himself as the one doing the speaking. The Father is insisting that He alone is Elohim. Now if He alone is Elohim then no one else can also be Elohim. But Trinitarianism insists that two other persons are also "Elohim" too in direct opposition to the Father's declaration. Who are you going to believe?

    Who is necessarily speaking in this passage? Who is this person's servant and chosen?

    Behold, my servant, whom I uphold; my chosen, in whom MY soul delights: I have put MY Spirit upon him... I am YHWH, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another. (Isaiah 42; cf Mt 12:18).

    The speaker in the above verse is necessarily the Father.

    Since Yahshuah declares that ONLY one person, the Father, knows the day and hour of his return, he cannot be Elohim since to be Elohim is be omniscient and Yahshuah insists that ONLY the Father is omniscient. Therefore, Yahshuah most certainly cannot be the one Elohim.

    Yahshuah cannot be Elohim because the Bible says there is one Elohim, the Father, and the one Master, Yahshuah (1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 4:5). Yahshuah is not the one Elohim but our one Master (High Preist for ever!). The Father is not the one Master but our one Elohim. The one Master in question is not the Father since the one Master in question has a Elohim, "the Elohim and Father of our Master Yahshuah the MessiYAH.
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    Yahshuah cannot be the one Elohim because he mediates between the one Elohim and men (1 Timothy 2:5) and by definition a mediator cannot be either party for whom he mediates. And as mediator is neither of the other two parties in view; he is not the group of men for whom he mediates and he is not the one Elohim for whom he mediates. WHY Yahshuah can mediate simply obfuscates the issue at hand and that issue is that a mediator is by definition not the other two parties, by identity, for whom he mediates.

    In the book of Revelation, we read that Yahshuah will send his angel to reveal things to John. But when we continue reading we see that this angels is not a third party of some sort but is a manifestation of Yahshuah himself appearing to John and speaking to John saying things such as "I am the First and the Last... I was dead," etc. Note the following passages how Yahshuah's angels turns out to be a manifestation of Yahshuah himself:

    I, Yahshuah, have sent my angel to testify to you these things for the churches. (Revelation 22:16).

    The Revelation of Yahshuah the MessiYAH, which Elohim gave him to show to His servants, the things which must soon take place; and he sent and communicated it by his angel to His servant John.... Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a Son of Man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across his chest with a golden sash. His head and his hair were white like white wool, like snow; and his eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. In his right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and his face was like the sun shining in its strength. When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. And his placed his right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades." (Revelation 1).

    Now follow the speaker:

    "I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of THE ANGEL who showed me these things. But HE said to me, "Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship Elohim."

    And HE said to me,

    "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy. Behold, I am coming quickly, and MY reward is with ME to render to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." (Revelation 22).

    Trinitarian Point 8 - The Son IS NOT the Spirit

    The Bible affirms very clearly that Yahshuah IS the Spirit.

    In Trinitarian doctrine Yahshuah is not the Holy Spirit since the Holy Spirit is a separate third person in Trinitarian doctrine. One cannot say that Yahshuah is the Holy Spirit since that would be saying one person is indeed also another person. However, the Bible clearly affirms the risen Master Yahshuah IS the Spirit at 2 Corinthians 3:17.

    But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted because the veil is removed in MessiYAH. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but when a person turns to the Master the veil is taken away. Now the Master is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Master is, there is freedom. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Master, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Master, the Spirit. Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of Elohim, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of Elohim. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of MessiYAH, who is the image of Elohim. For what we preach is not ourselves, but Yahshuah the MessiYAH as Master, with ourselves as your servants for Yahshuah's sake. (2 Corinthians 3:14-4:5).

    Now it is quite obvious to the unbiased reader that the Master of this passage is Yahshuah the MessiYAH and the Apostle Paul is telling us that MessiYAH IS the Spirit. However, since Trinitarians perceive this passage destroys the doctrine of the Trinity, an interpretive contrivance is in order.

    One contrivance is to pretend "the Spirit" at 2 Corinthians 3:17 is not a reference to their third hypostasis, the Holy Spirit, but a term to refer to a substance, a what, "spirit". However, the honest person will quickly see that Paul has been discussing the superiority of the ministry of the Spirit over the Law.

    ....written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living Elohim... Elohim, who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not in the letter but in the Spirit for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    Since the Spirit is understood to be a 3rd person in Trinitarian doctrine, the Trinitarian is caught in an inescapable dilemma of having Person A as Person B but Trinitarian doctrine claiming Person A is not Person B. Hence, they perceive a need to contrive.

    When it is realized the above contrivance will not work for them, another contrivance is pulled out of the hat is to suggest that "the Master" of this passage is not Yahshuah but some other identity such as the Father.

    However, this will not work either. In Trinitarian doctrine, the Father is not the Spirit either. If we were to identify the Master as the Father, the Trinitarian would then be caught saying the Father is the person who is the person of the Spirit and he cannot say this without contradicting his own doctrine. In his doctrine the Father is NOT the Spirit. If we were to identify "the Master" as the Triune Elohim then they would be caught in saying the Triune Elohim is the person who is the Spirit and he cannot say this either without contradicting his own doctrine. No matter how the Trinitarian identifies the Master he is caught in his own snare.

    Secondly, the Master is indeed clearly identified in the immediate context. Paul opens his letter with two references to the "Master Yashuah the MessiYAH." "The master" is the standard way for Paul to refer to the risen Yahshuah and this passage is no different. We see in this passage that the veil is removed "in the MessiYAH" and only when one turns to "the master" is it taken away. Reasonable people will see that "turning to the Master" and having the veil taken away is the same idea as having the veil "removed in MessiYAH." The Master who is the Spirit is Yahshuah the MessiYAH.
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    But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in the MessiYAH. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Master, the veil is taken away. Now the Master is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Master is, there is freedom.



    And even further to the point, Paul says we are being transformed into the same image from glory until glory. This is the same typical Pauline language for being free in the MessiYAH being conformed into the image of Yahshuah that Paul uses elsewhere in his writings:

    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us... the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of Elohim.... For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son. so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.(Romans 8:29-30; cf. Gal 4:29-5:1; Php 3:10-11; 1 Cor 15:49).

    When we look at the obvious evidence of the immediate context we can see plainly that "the Master" of this passage is no one else but the Son of Elohim and Paul identifies the Son of Elohim as "the Spirit" in direct opposition to Trinitarian doctrine which claims "the Son is not the Spirit" and there is absolutely no way out of the dilemma here for the Trinitarian but a good dose of denial.

    At 1 Corinthians 15:45, Paul refers to the risen Yahshuah as being raised "life-giving Spirit." Paul has the very same thing in mind here in 2 Corinthians. And just as he talks about the glorification of the body in 1 Corinthians 15, he has the same thing in mind here when he is referring to the glory of Yahshuah in believers. The risen Yahshuah IS the Spirit.

    In the preceding context, Paul discusses the ministry of the Spirit.

    Trinitarians otherwise insist "the Spirit" in this passage is the 3rd person of his Triune Elohim. But when the doctrine of the Trinity is in view and he must deal with the words of 2 Corinthians 3:17, he changes his mind for the occasion. He is caught in the inescapable dilemma of Yahshuah being identifed as the Spirit, that is, the dilemma of the 2nd person of his Trinity being identifed as the 3rd. But in Trinitarian doctrine the 2nd person is NOT the 3rd and he ends up with a contradiction diametrically opposed to his doctrine.




    Trinitarian Point 7 - The Father IS NOT the Spirit

    The Bible affirms very clearly that our Father IS the Spirit.

    Did the Father of the man Yahshuah of Nazareth conceive Yahshuah in the womb of Mary? In Trinitarianism the answer is that he did not. In Trinitarian doctrine, another person altogether conceived the man Yahshuah of Nazareth and that person is the Holy Spirit, someone who is not the Father in Trinitarianism. In other words, Trinitarians are caught in the serious dilemma of having one person conceiving baby Yahshuah (the Holy Spirit) but another person being his father (Elohim, the Father of Yahshuah). It is an absurdity of absurdities.

    The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of Elohim. (Luke 1:35).

    The honest reader can see that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Elohim the Father who conceived baby Yahshuah of Nazareth and not a 3rd and separate person who is not the Father. In Trinitarianism, the Holy Spirit is not the Father and they create for themselves here the ridiculous predicament of having one person conceive baby Yahshuah but Yahshuah having another person altogether as his father. Absurd.

    Another clear indication that the Father is the Holy Spirit are parallel statements made by Matthew and Luke:

    When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say." (Luke 12:11-12).

    But beware of men, for they will hand you over to the courts and scourge you in their synagogues; and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. (Matthew 10:17-20).

    The term "Spirit of Elohim" is obviously a term which means "Spirit of Elohim the Father." However, in Trinitarian doctrine, "the Spirit" is not the Spirit of the Father but a 3rd person in addition to the Father and so they must conclude and do conclude that, "the Father is NOT the Spirit." But we have clear Scriptures which show the Father is the Spirit. And again the Trinitarian doctrine is easily proven wrong.

    Even further is Yahshuah' teaching at John 4:24, "Elohim is Spirit." That Yahshuah is referring to the Father is made plain by the context. And that Yahshuah is referring to the Holy Spirit is also made plain by the context.

    When He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. John 16:13.

    Yahshuah said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Yahuwdeans (Jews). But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and Truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in in Spirit and Truth." John 4:22-24.

    It is plain to the honest mind that "Elohim" is the Father in the phrase "Elohim is Spirit" and it is equally plain that "Spirit" is the Holy Spirit. But in Trinitarian doctrine, Elohim the Father is most definitely NOT the Holy Spirit. Scriptures proves them wrong.
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    Of course, multitudes of denials are always in order when such things are presented to the Trinitarian. And of course this brings up the issue of how both Yahshuah and the Father can be "the Spirit." But anyone who comprehends the nature of the resurrection can quickly see how this is so. This will be clearly elucidated in another article. "Father" and "Son" are WHO they are; "Spirit" is WHAT they both are; the risen Yahshuah and the Father are both "the Spirit." In the same way that both Adam and Eve are both "the flesh" and the one flesh of Adam, both Elohim the Father and his Son are now one Spirit of Elohim. The flesh of Eve is the flesh of Adam and the Spirit of the MessiYAH is the Spirit of Elohim. And just as Eve is the flesh of Adam but is not Adam so also the MessiYAH is the Spirit of Elohim but is not Elohim. The Spirit in us is the presence of both the Father and Yahshuah which is why Yahshuah taught that both Father and Son will come to make their home in believers. Elohim the father IS Spirit and so now also is the risen Yahshuah.

    The Bible plainly shows the Trinity doctrine to be completely wrong. In Trinitarianism the Spirit and the Father or the Spirit and the Son cannot be one and the same. The Bible says the Son of Elohim IS the Spirit. Trinitarianism says the Son of Elohim IS NOT the Spirit. The error can be no plainer than this and the whole doctrine of the Trinity must affirm the Son is NOT the Spirit or it does not and cannot stand. The reader should seriously consider the gravity of the facts here.

    This is not a minor and inconsequential point. If point number 7 above, or point number 8 above, are false statements, the entire doctrine of the Trinity is proven to be FALSE. And the honest reader will realize there is no escape from that reality.

    Conclusion

    It is easy to demonstrate that Trinitarian doctrine opposes the Holy Scriptures. While their doctrine says the Son is not the Spirit the Bible says the Son is the Spirit. While their doctrine says the Father is not the Spirit, the Scripture indicates the Father is the Spirit. And even though Elohim the Father says there is no Elohim besides "me" the doctrine of the Trinity declares there are two others who are Elohim too in direct violation of YAHUWAH's very own words. Even if only one point of the eight is wrong the entire doctrine is also wrong. And if we hold the Bible to always be true then the doctrine of the Trinity is proven to be necessarily and absolutely false whether any given individual or group of individuals likes it or not.
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    If a person believes in the trinity then by default they really can't understand scriptures and thus totally mis out on the good news Gospel message. It's deep brothas and sistas.
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  7. Brown Jesus

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    Elohim is plural
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    Genesis 1:1-2, 26-27 KJV

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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    Yes brown J. there is a nature of plurality to the name: Father and Son.

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    Yahshuah is not "God", though being the Son, He kinda helped Dad along :p
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    I think the relations ship between Jesus and The Most High is far too complex for us to understand as humans. The closes analogue is Father and Son.

    The Most High exists in the most complete sense of existence; he has existed eternally. He knows of his existence, and this knowledge is pure wisdom. This wisdom, or Word, if you will, exists in a much more complete sense than we do. It exists as an entity and is inseparable from The Most High. These two, though definitely of different rank, as it were, still exist eternally. Their knowledge of each other is in a spirit of Love. This is God, or Elohim: existence, wisdom and love. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Why can't you string together an argument after a rebuttal?
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    There is no argument to refute...I agree with you Brown Yahshuah, the Father and Son probably have a complex relationship, I'd imagine too. But with the scriptures we have... all of it clearly distinguishes the Father as the sole Eternal Creator, Elohim. And the Son is distinguished as the Son of Elohim (GOD). That is perfectly clear in the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation.

    I have four threads on this topic posted just today. More to come. I love y'all enough to share the Truth.

    It's so important to understand the false nature of the Trinity because it does a lot to scriptures. The trinity is nothing new, and like all religion, this 3 in 1, 1 and 3 can be clearly traced back to ancient Babylon. That would be a interesting study for you to take up really.

    Without knowing the truth, that the Father is the father, and the Son is the Son and the Holy Spirit is not an entity god, or that they are all not the same, rather all individually separate or ..I'm confused already...then you are really, really going to have trouble seeing the truth about the good news and Gospel. You won't even understand! The trinity is straight out of hell. We know in Revelations 12:9 that Satan done deceived the WHOLE world. Really think about that my friend. If the entire world is doing the same thing, or are thinking the same doctrine to be correct it probably needs to be examined outside that same circle that promotes it. Just a thought that is of the up most importance to consider. Especially in this context friend.

    Have you ever considered yourself deceived ? It's hard to admit. I have before. It's humbling but amazing at the same time. Because the Father is pulling you. He will finish a good work started...EVERY TIME WITHOUT FAIL.

    Can you be honest with me ? Did you really read the thread my Brown friend ?

    The Son is the Son

    The Father is the one and only Elohim (or God)

    The Holy Spirit is not an entity.

    I don't claim to know it all, but this I am 100% sure on. If you have questions please ask! I'm not saying I'm better than you...so it's not a pride or ego thing. I care about everyone man!
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    Explain what the gospel IS oh wise one. Ill tell u if you know what it is or not
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  13. Brown Jesus

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    How can Jesus claim the title I Am if he doesn't believe that he is a part of that concept. How can he the I and the Father are One? If have seen me, then you have seen the Father.

    You can't just forget about explicitly clear verses.

    Thomas said Jesus was "my lord and my God." And Jesus didn't correct him.
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    He doesnt care. He is a agnostic. He believes in A God, but has no clue which one. Hes NEVER, personally had an experience with him. Thats obvious. As day from night. He mocks correction, and does not heed sound rebuke. He is not born again. Saying it doesnt make u it. U have to believe in your heart, profess with your mouth, that Jesus IS LORD. That he died on the cross for your sins and was raised. And in that death you died with him.


    He mocks the consept with his heart.
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  15. Coup d'état

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    brownJ, if I address that claim from Yahshuah, "I AM" will you read and listen to what I got to say on it ? In other words, are you open to an interpretation that you may or may not be used to ?
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    Worship belongs to God ONLY. Not one time did jesus ever stop AnYONE from worshippin.g him. He wont address these issues. Hell just call u an idiot.
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    Address every issue I've put forward. How are you going to confront one piece of evidence and consider it sufficient? While you're at it, explain how "I've taken verses out of context" in the past.

    tbh
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    While your at it address my 57462%384%46538283 verses that says he is in Coup vs. Payback.
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    I only want to handle one topic at at time...It's in my experience that the kats who believe in this unsupported doctrine of the trinity, however sincere and honest they seem to be, can only do so by cherry-picking single verses straight out of biblical context. . . and not even realizing it, due to ignorance (not being mean or mean spirited, but that is the reason).

    Doing this shreds all understanding and knowledge of the Gospel, and creates a different Father and the Son at once (idols); and everything scriptures truly teaches and built upon is immediately destroyed in favor of sustaining this ancient Babylonian mystery school belief. It's done out of ignorance of history and out of ignorance of scriptures and out of ignorance of why this doctrine is even around! (that's the most important part to understand).

    Think about this friend: We wrestle against spiritual wickedness in HIGH places (governments and beyond) and these wicked people in these high places really do worship evil, the devil and his fallen...This goes on and exists today. This should come as no surprise. Think about all the corporate logos with the sun depicted for a small brief example. They are showing you just who they worship and it's hidden in plain sight (Walmart logo, Shell, Chase Bank, our currency ect..the list is expansive). The Illuminati etc...it's DEEP.

    Knowing that the enemy worships Satan, it also should not come at any surprise that ancient Babylonian doctrine as crept into the Churches. Because we know the bible is real and even the enemy knows that...Evil shakes at the name of our Father and his son: Yahuwah and Yahshuah.

    Point is...the bible is not just fairy tales and good stories. It's real and it's known and their is a war going on!

    So, don't you think doctrines could have been twisted up in favor of the wicked one and centered around these Babylonian beliefs ? The answer is yes. They use our Father's word to do this!

    Now, this is not my proof for saying the trinity is false. It's not in scriptures, but I just wanted you to think about the world a little bit and how and what scriptures says about it. And to give you something to think about.

    Also, that is what I mean when you grab verses out of context. I will now be addressing the verses you choose to pluck out of context in favor of promoting a doctrine created by Satan himself: the trinity. Because to be real with you, it all rings true to the mystery Trinity of pagan gods in empires past. Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Rome, Assyria, Prussia etc.. all these nations had there own trinity. The JESUS-GOD-HOLY SPIRIT is the modern day equivalent. Guess what ? It's not scriptual...at all.
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  20. TheBigPayback

    TheBigPayback God Particle

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    Essentially what your saying is not to take the gospels literally. That evil triumphed over good, and falsity over truth. Greater is he that is in US than he that is in the world.

    The bible is the will and testiment of God. The bible is not corrupt. The bible is still taught in heaven. It is what it says and means what it means.

    God cannot expect us to spread a gospel that we cannot trust. That is not fair to those that trust him.
    There is 4000 years of people that lived and died by this word. Your implying they all died in vain no?
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