Direct and Indirect Effects of WWI on 20th Century Genocide. <Need your opinion...>

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  1. BeEgEe

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    its not a genocide.
    systematic elimination and extermination of a people is....


    the rape of nanking is evidence of....

    slaughter
    mass murder
    surplus cruelty


    but not genocide.
    the chances of a foreign power committing genocide in China is highly unlikely.
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  2. BeEgEe

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    in Cambodia
    Pol Pot wiped out 20% of the countries population.....

    a ripple effect of the vietnam war.
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  3. BeEgEe

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    what the fuck is wrong with you Ghet?

    Abortion is not genocide.

    Just because it is now condoned by the state (US) doesn't mean it is Government led.
    And government funded?????....... funded???? funding has nothing to do with genocide


    Abortions were taking place in back alleys and appartments turned into makeshift clinics

    Young women were dying (in large numbers) because these procedures were being conducted by untrained professionals with unsterilized equipment using barbaric procedures.


    Abortion itself............. has been going on for centuires in every single society.

    Tell me...... who are the Authors of the genocide YOU call abortion?????????????
    and what is there COMMON diagnosis?

    Who is managing this Genocide........???????
    And how are they coordinating with the Perpetrators one another to bring this plan to fruition?

    What is causing the Auxilliaries to participate willfully in the PLANNED extermination......









    Defining genocide as broadly as you are is in error.
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  4. BeEgEe

    BeEgEe El Warm Shot

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    gimmie some actual credible sources that back case your trying to make.


    and what time period are you suggesting this genocide began to take place?

    are you claiming that this is genocide a 20th and 21st phenomenon?
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  5. Anidawehi

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    You're starting to sound like ML. You are a civilian, Ghet.
    And you are partially right. But you are also partially wrong.


    Uh huh, a war that has been going on for 3,000 years began over oil and tin?
    Dude, get a fuckin grip.

    Being mothers has nothing to do with inequality.
    Being treated like lesser human beings does.
    Pull your head out of your ass.
    You're smarter than this.

    [funny]

    Way to over-simplify the situation.
    Viewing people as nothing more than "objects" to be dealt with in order to posess the earth is FUCKING STUPID! Nobody controls the earth and even if they do, they die and get ate by the same damn worms that will you and I.

    I understand that you are saying that this is a motive behind their genocides and holocausts, etc. It is a motive. In the process however, they have to condition people to see the OTHER PEOPLE as "lesser human beings" and they do this by identifying those OTHER PEOPLE as a "group" and classify them together by either skin tone, culture, religion, etc. THAT IS WHAT GENOCIDE IS!

    Abortion is NOT a genocide.
    No matter what sort of distraction you try to use with words, and accusations that whoever doesn't agree with you is somehow inferior and a "civilian," it doesn't change the fact that abortion is NOT "Genocide" . . .

    Stop trying to bully people (by an appeal to emotions [the emotion of ego]) into accepting your redaction of the word. The WORD has a meaning. Abortion does NOT fit that definition. We have to either change the definition of Genocide for abortion to fit into that category or we have to invent a NEW word for it.

    Seriously, you can grasp this.
    I know you can.

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    Moot, did you pick that word up from Kashta or did he get it from you?

    You're right Ghet . . . I don't see the "infrastructural benefit" of what people have when unborn babies are targetted. Maybe you can break that down for me. (It isn't exactly a priority on my list, we do have people that are alive and are suffering. The un-born are not a concern at the moment).

    Don't confuse me for a liberal.
    The Arabs are being killed for many reasons.





    This is my question to you Ghet. Everybody who pushes for something this adamently has an internal motive. Nobody is this vehemently against something unless they do. Now, I recall you saying that you do not believe in God, correct. The last time I seen you speak on God was when you said God is "Organized Chaos" . . .

    If God does not exist (or at least the "moral" God) then please tell me how I am to believe that you are "morally apalled" by the death of these infants . . .

    What makes them important to you and why should I find them significant when you don't ever actually take a stance on ANYTHING based off of "morals"? Get the fuck outta here with your bullshit appeals to morality man. I seen the posts you make.

    You aint gonna help single mothers feed their unborn babies.
    You don't support the welfare system.
    You understand that everybody can't work.

    Shut up with that shit.
    You don't want to fix a damn thing.
    You think I can't see past you?
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  6. Anidawehi

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    Try being upfront for a fuckin change and say why you're really against abortion.
    Stop tryin to play games by connecting it to terms. Be a fuckin man. Be original.
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  7. Your density is unrivaled. Take pride that you are immune to being taught. I hear they are hiring statues somewhere in a museum.

    Funding has nothing to do with genocide!? So guns, ropes, uniforms, swords, knives, bullets, tanks, gas, and transportation of soldiers into foreign lands grows on trees, is free of cost, and availible to all?! Your ultra-narrow, pity-party-induced definition of genocide is the problem.

    Why are you immune to understanding infrastructure? Is it a genetic deficiency? Why is -EVERYONE- on this board immune to understanding infrastructure?!

    The economic benefit of abortion is god awful simple and obvious for anyone with half a brain that understands population patterns.

    It's the same reason males are the majority of those in prisons. Reduction of aggression to keep civilians tame.

    It's the same reason we force our kids to take behavoir modification drugs as early as possible. Reduction of aggression to keep civilians tame.

    It's the same reason we promote homosexuality as a life choice. Reduction of aggression to keep civilians tame.

    It's the same reason we slaughter entire generations of people before they are born. Reduction of aggression to keep civilians tame. Crime is reduced *WHEN POPULATIONS ARE REDUCED*

    Don't believe me? Don't take MY word for it!

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006913

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID174508_code010501110.pdf?abstractid=174508&mirid=1

    WHY ARE YOU IGNORANT TO INFRASTRUCTURE?

    BeGeEe... Ever heard of Thomas Edgar? He's a Democrat who said this on public radio:

    It is a planned, intentionally, government-funded genocide that is hidden behind a screen of rights specifically targetting a demographic of people because of what that people can do.


















    What in sweet holy fucking Christendom does this have to do with anything we are talking about?
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  8. You have no grip on history.

    None.

    You recite the words but you cannot envision hte ifnrastructure of the times. The reasons for economy. The uses of people in their systems and why they did what they did. You can only argue from an aestetic viewpoint alone, a shallow, baseless, and hollow existance.

    You have no grip on history.
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  9. Anidawehi

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    I have no grip on history because you can't make your point?

    [​IMG]
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  10. Anidawehi

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    Instead of trying to accuse people of not understanding the way that everything (abortion included) is either embraced or rejected by the said leadership (or the elite) depending on whether it is ultimately beneficial to "their" agenda and the system which they have established and hope to establish, why don't you elaborate and say whatever it is you think we don't understand.

    This is something that I noticed that you do.

    You make a statement. When somebody tells you that you are wrong you accuse them of not understanding something that you've "only recently" begun to study in order to inflate your ego and place yourself over them in some weird need to feel praised.

    If the connection is there, make them. Show us HOW and WHY abortion IS genocide instead of accusing us of not being able to see something that you are unable to elaborate on. I have no problem playing devil's advocate if it accomplishes the goal. Sometimes the best way to beat somebody is to let them think that you are as ignorant as they are and agree with them against somebody else who you "actually" agree with so that the other person will show them that they are wrong and you don't have to (knowing that IF you do it yourself it will wind down into page after page of insults).

    One thing you don't seem to see is that if I agree with you, the conversation stops. If I disagree with you, you fall victim to the weakness that is RM and resort to assaulting what you "believe" I am (ignorant to the infrastructure).

    Say what you mean. Stop playing games.
    Like I said before, be original.

    Let us assume I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. So explain it in terms which "teach me" . . . It serves no purpose (especially when you are "playing the role" of one who cares for the undereducated) to use fancy language and try to talk over everybody's head.

    I understand perfectly what you're saying. Nobody on RM can seem to understand anything I say, so I don't imagine that they will see what you're saying because you're not connecting the dots. You're just pointing at all the dots on the page and screaming out, "WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THE PICTURE!!!?"
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  11. BeEgEe

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    Build your case!
    Trying to make me feel stupid isnt going to gain you any ground.

    You've dodged all my questions that had you anwsered.....would have built your case.

    Throwing around the term GENOCIDE is erroneuos.

    read Lemkin.
    Theres plenty of his work out there........
    He would probably tell you that you are missing point by labeling abortion genocide.
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  12. BeEgEe

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    well put.

    good to see you focused.


    do you understand what I mean about nanking?
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  13. The density is unlimited and obvious.

    You believe that abortion was a grassroots decision foudned in righteous relization of their situation! YES!

    Say no more.

    Say no more, peon.

    Logistics forever escape you.

    I provide links, evidence, you deny them. You cannot seperate emotion from your thought process.

    Azues, I've long disregarded the things you've said. You're a neo-tribal primitivist with no concept of history. There is no need to talk to you about subjects that escape your understanding.

    BeGeEe

    I understand your refusal to answer the only question I've asked you. It's an important expectancy of you to seperate yourself from any group of people because your young, stupid, and incapable of comprehending complex social situations.

    But in the end, one day, you will. And when you actually integrate with a population of your choicing, I will try my hardest to make sure that every female in that population has the opion of abortion readily availible.

    Genocide is a political tool to remove power from a demographic by killing them. That is all it is. Using gas or guns does not determine if it's genocide or not.

    Who am I kidding, this is coming from a nation that talks bad about Nazis yet wiped out an entire race of people. The only thing you can criticize about Nazis is that they didn't outperform you!
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  14. BeEgEe

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    LOL.

    quit crying Ghet.

    and get off your highhorse.


    you sound like an arrogant fool.



    your smarter than this

    and you obviously need to READ up on what GENOCIDE is.

    LEMKIN.

    He fucking created the word. CREATED it. lol.

    Genocide is not a broad term. It is very very specific.

    accept it.
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  15. menaz

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    "Lemkin uses the word genocide broadly, not only to describe policies of outright extermination against Jews and Gypsies, but for less immediate Nazi goals as well. In Lemkin's analysis Nazi Germany had undertaken a policy for the demographic restructuring of the European continent. Therefore he also used the word genocide to describe a "coordinated plan of different actions" intended to promote such goals as an increase in the birthrate of the "Aryan" population, the physical destruction of the Slavic population over a period of years, and policies to bring about the destruction of the "culture, language, national feelings, religion" and separate economic existence (but not physical existence) of non-German "Aryan" nations thought to be "linked by blood" to Germany."-

    ^ lemkin!

    I would agree that Another nation of race that incresses their birth rate and decreases anothers birth rates, culture, language, national feelings, and religion is genocide. But only when carried out by another national race.

    Bege is correct, Abortion in General is to vauge to fit the definition of genocide. However, Ghet could be correct as well, Snice genocide can be ambigious as I stated above.
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  16. BeEgEe

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    GENOCIDE: refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight. The end may be accomplished by the forced disintegration of political and social institutions, of the culture of the people, of their language, their national feelings and their religion. It may be accomplished by wiping out all basis of personal security, liberty, health and dignity. When these means fail the machine gun can always be utilized as a last resort. Genocide is directed against a national group as an entity and the attack on individuals is only secondary to the annihilation of the national group to which they belong.

    ^^
    LEMKIN!
    This is the definition.


    World Wide Abortion is not GENOCIDE.
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  17. Look at this kid cling to the limitations of his language.. as if the fencing of the word contains the power itself, and not the idea it encapsulates.

    Then I surely hope you take your rage against the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide for changing the definition of genocide!

    The CPPCG was adopted by the UN General Assembly on 9 December 1948 and came into effect on 12 January 1951 (Resolution 260 (III)). It contains an internationally-recognized definition of genocide which was incorporated into the national criminal legislation of many countries, and was also adopted by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, the treaty that established the International Criminal Court (ICC). The Convention (in article 2) defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:"

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    In fact, you should be VERY upset with the UN since they even defined genocide in much more specific terms!

    Article 7 of the "United Nations draft declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples" (26 August 1994) defines "Cultural genocide" (emphasis added)[1]:

    Indigenous peoples have the collective and individual right not to be subjected to ethnocide and cultural genocide, including prevention of and redress for:
    (a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;
    (b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;
    (c) Any form of population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
    (d) Any form of assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures;
    (e) Any form of propaganda directed against them.

    Any action....?










    Any action....?

    Notice the complete, utter, and total lack of the definition requiring an incidious white man at the top of government being required before an action is called genocide.


    ANY

    ACTION

    OF POPULATION TRANSFER WHICH HAS THE AIM OR EFFECT OF VIOLATING OR UNDERMINING ANY OF THEIR RIGHTS.




    AIM (intention)

    OR (a conditional modifier which either condition's presence satisfies the condition)

    EFFECT (results!)

    Abortion wipes out entire voter blocks. It's called the Roe Effect.
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  18. menaz

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    Why are you quoting like that?
    Why are you writting so big?
    Stop being annoying. You completely misunderstood my intent here.

    First off, It's yhow you're OWN Source "LEMKIN" discribed it.

    Secondly, I never disagreed with you.

    Thridly, When one decides to Put their races Brithrates over another, They are not only going to kill off the culture, language, national feelings, religion, But they are also going to kill off the Mothers fetus. Thus, Abortion can be apart of genocide.




    That's a blod statement.

    Of course it is.

    If we are speaking of abortion in general and not of a paticular national grouping,
    The the word GENOCIDE, DOES NOT APPLY!

    That is where the fallacy is made.
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  19. BeEgEe

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    this whole argument is based on the roe effect?

    and all of a sudden.......its only US abortion?


    lol.

    A genocide of a possible voting bloc.

    lol.
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  20. BeEgEe

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    oh, you don't like the way I quote?
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