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  1. TheBigPayback

    TheBigPayback God Particle

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    if anything that contradicted a main tenent of the bible was somehow found to be certain truth I would find that as counter evidence.
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  2. Jay Bee

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    what are these main tenents?
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  3. Mrjdm998

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    Evolution and the age of the earth.
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  4. Jay Bee

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    BP doesn't work like that. he will probably say evolution is just a theory and the age of the earth is either debatable or not a main piller. thats y i want him to be specific as possible before he goes off topic
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  5. TheBigPayback

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    Funny. Niether are 100%
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    Also our age dating processes are horribly inacurate as Anything can throw it off. There is no exact way to measure Time.
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  7. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    you're using belief in religion and belif in God interchangeably

    it aint like that

    also...

    "stem cell research, intolerence towards homosexuality, intolerence to other religions, all the wars in Greece other who's god's cooler,

    ^isn't exclusive to followers of religion anyway, but moreso my argument is about believer's in God, not religion

    people trying to use prayer to stop things like the black death instead of medicine, science being ignored and discarded during the dark ages (The whole "oh you belive in germs? I believe in god doe so you gon die nao" thing they had going on), witch hunts, religious wars,

    ^this was the dark ages, we were not as civilized

    people refusing to discuss things like evolution and DNA because there religion disagrees with it, divisions based on religion (Jewish and Muslim areas of London, the Catholic/Protestant divide in ireland) Islamic honour killings (Over here there seems to be a few cases every month),

    ^moslems and christians kill each other, bloods and crips kill each other, communists and capitalists kill each other, bandidos and angels kill each other
    tribal instinct is everywhere, such killings are not exclusive to religion


    people voting in political elections based on religious beliefs instead of what is best for the country and places of worship using public funding which takes it away from education and health care (In places with public health care instead of this bullshit system America uses).

    ^political policies effected for financial gain, not for the best interest of the people or the country, wars started for money/resources, i do agree with you about public funding though, any religion should pay their own way, state and religion shouldn't be combined

    And that's just off the top of my head. Please don't claim religion has helped advance the world, because that's an outright lie."

    i'm not even religious, i believe in God though

    i'm not claiming religion has done anything, you are

    and i disagree

    i say greed, envy, jealousy, ignorance and arrogance has caused about everything you listed
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  8. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    yeh

    atheists have never

    robbed

    killed

    raped

    only believers in God do that shit

    btw, i'm not a great person, i've done some pretty fucked up shit in my life

    if anything has made me change somewhat over the years, i'd probably attribute it to my belief in God, if anything tempered some of my actions throughout the years, it was probably my belief in God

    if i had no belief in God, i don't like to think what i could have done or what i'd still be doing

    not saying this is the same for everyone though

    but my belief in God, wit out doubt, has made me a better person
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  9. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    yeh it's not the same thing

    God didn't create religion

    we did

    belief in God is not the same thing as religion

    but i see a lot of hate coming from atheists, a lot of deep seeded hate
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  10. Mrjdm998

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    The origional poster said religion held back society, some people disagreed. I listed examples. I don't care if it's made you a better person.
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  11. TheBigPayback

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    I know your not saying as compared to the rest of society
    Cus that would be super retarded.



    Wow. Im tell mo we need a sticky for DUMBEST quote of the week. Im pitchin that.
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  12. TheBigPayback

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  13. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    it doesn't matter

    religion or God

    the same shit you blamin religion for can be blamed on

    atheists

    capitalists

    communists

    one percentas

    gang bangers

    racists

    rapists

    xenophobes

    patriots

    industry

    banks

    absolutists

    but naw, don't blame extremists, radicals and power hungry manipulators, blame religion

    cool

    ima go smoke this blunt, fuck my bitch in the ass and blow in her mouth, all in the name of birth control

    blame religion
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  14. NightmareEx

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    And why in the world would you, of all people, do that exactly? Do you want more attention THAT badly?
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  15. TheBigPayback

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    Im sure ud be top the list often dont worry bout that
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  16. Mrjdm998

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    Again, I don't care if they do that. You said how has religion held us back. I listed examples. Don't ask a question then get upset when I make you look like an idiot. How are you going to contend that the crusades weren't caused by religion? All the stuff I listed is caused by belief in god, and for the most part religion. Learn to read, I never said being religious makes you a bad person.
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  17. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    lol

    you haven't made me look like an idiot

    and i ain't mad

    i didn't contend that the crusades weren't caused by religion

    you said religion held the human race back, something like that

    you blamed religion for a variety of things

    all of which can be blamed on non religious people too

    a lot of shit might be done in the name of religion, but there are hidden agendas

    i'm not even religious but you made incredible statements

    men commit the shit you yapping about

    not some God you don't even think exists
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  18. Jay Bee

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    this was a response to mrjdm998's response to BP completely refusing how religion has hurt society in anyway calling it a "dumb statement"

    but right now u are refusing to see a gray area. just because i am saying religion has held back us as people it doesn't mean im saying the opposite (atheist) are perfect. what im saying is that the negative that religion has given this world far outways the present day society we live in
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  19. TheBigPayback

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    Um. He didnt say hurt society although i wouldnt agree there either. He said held back our species.
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  20. Jay Bee

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    i understand what u are saying but u are switching the subject. somebody refused the idea that religion has caused harm then somebody else gave reasons. now u have switched subjects to "everybody causes harm not just religious people" which is 100% true. BUT he was giving examples to how only RELIGION has harmed us, not how only people who believe in religion are evil.

    we can all agree that MANY MEN have caused evil despite their believes, but if u want to discuss how atheist have caused harm id love to hear it. make another thread bcuz thats a long discussion
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