Democracy

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  1. Yahunyahti

    Yahunyahti New Member

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    Do you think a Democratic System is realistic?

    For example: In America, anybody who is a legal citizen without a felony is allowed to vote. They don't have to actually know anything about the candidates, in fact it is made so absolutely simple that they don't even have to write anything. They just check boxes.

    Now, anybody who has taken even a basic Intro to Politics class knows that the Congress and Senate make decisions and that they in turn work to please those who provide them with money who in turn profit off of the laws they pass. Therefore, the Capitalist Elite are in fact making the laws and politicians are passing them because if they don't then they don't get elected into office and even if they do get into office they can't actually accomplish anything because everybody else is doing what they have to do.

    There is a middle man between the candidates and the people. Anybody who has studied politics knows about the middle men/women. There is a name for them.

    So is America a Democracy?
    And should America be a Democracy?

    It is clear that Capitalists should not be able to pull this shit, but in a Capitalist society, they are and they will.

    Why should the people choose their leader when all it takes to sway the people's votes is a good speaker, media propaganda and catchy slogans? Most voters don't even know the candidates full names. They just vote for the name that stands out. For example, Clinton will win and take office next year . . . not because she is more qualified. Not because she will do anything more or less than Obama will do (they're all frauds and know they can't actually do what they say they will do) . . . but because her name is Clinton and she is a Woman. She will win on those two alone. Not to mention, Obama is black and his name sounds like Osama and his middle name is Hussein. It doesn't matter one bit who is a better candidate. It doesn't matter one bit that the entire system is bullshit and fucked ass backwards . . . the people don't actually know anything about their system. So why should they be allowed to vote? Why should a person who works at Taco Bell for 5.50 an hour have a say in who is leading this country? Why? They work at Taco Bell because that's all they know how to do. If they knew how to do more, then they would. So why are they allowed (or should they be allowed) to have a say in the leadership?

    Are all men and women really created equally?
    Are people really that naive?
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  2. menaz

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    You think tests should be given, And If they don't pass these test they can't vote?


    There are Lobbyist who corrupt earmarking. Then there are fundraisers. This can include Movie stars, Billionaires, Groups like peta, evangelical chruches, The Greens, Socialists groups, the Mob money that got JFK elected. Without Money, You can't run a campaign, Almost Anywhere. unless you plan to coup government with an army.

    Fundraisers. Lobbyist. bureaucrats. Cronyism.

    ^ most hated in poilitics.



    America is a Democracy, But it needs some changes in the correct direction.You must be realistic, a complete overthrow is rediculous, Plus you need secular Governments to take out theocracies. Democracy is the best way to go about this. Majority change can dead religion and seperate the poilitics from it. Everyone must be Agnostic. They have no reason to believe or unbelieve in God.

    Quite funny. You're telling capitalist they shouldn't be able to pull that shit in a capitalist society, That's like telling a Defensive cornerback in football they can't tackle anyone. Quite a paradox.

    Are these the things you fall for? or are you saying you want to be leader? Not everyone is as dumb as you think.

    Well then this sort of fucks up your whole "Obama's name sounds like Osama and his middle name is Hussein." Contradicted yourself.

    I like opinated perdictions from dolts!


    Way to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
    You could be the most close minded person I've ever seen.

    That's sexist. However, yes Clinton does have an advantage with recognizability she was and still is sentor of Newyork and her husband was the president. Obama has advantages as well, such as an over whelming Popularity with every Ilk. One thing he lacks is a body of work like Mrs. clinton. No pun intended.

    Good to know your opinion.

    It does to me, but that's all based on opinion.

    Actually they do. If they didn't, They wouldn't have made Bush a lame-duck last mid-term election. You can thank me for my vote at anytime.


    What's wrong with working there? At least they work. Unlike free loading piece of shit. You should kiss the working man's ass. Without him, this economy nolonger provides you with the luxury to talk shit all day in the comfort of your parents home, while the real people work. You do not get to tell people what to do, You're just a nobody pompous ass with an opinion that voices his ignorance 20 times aday. You're a dime a dozen. And Actually the Pay is more like 7.00 to 7.50. Also By the way we voted in and passed a minimum wage increases last mid-term election. And lastly, Just because they do that doesn't make them dumb. Example, Good will hunting. You label everything and Pigeonhole it.


    Or they are Teenagers. Or they are Older retired people. Or it is their choice. It takes all types of people to keep the economy running. Just because they do those jobs doesn't make then any less human. I purpose, pay should be equal to everyone elses.

    Why shouldn't they be allowed? At least they are helping the economy.
    At least they are making the Economy effective. I'd say that gives them reason enough to vote however they want. What do you do besides bitch like a old yenta from the view?

    They are in a sense because they are human.
    Of course Biologically speaking the Sexual organs are different,
    But that doesn't make them any less equal, it makes them
    enjoyable. Vice versa.




    No it could be your just that Cynical and Upper Middle class brat.
    the Typical kind, who knows what is best for everyone,
    yet can't even tie thier own shoe laces.
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  3. MC VeXeD

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    ah i must stay unbiased........

    people at taco bell shouldnt vote?

    WOW!!!!!!!.. probably won't because they'll have a felony before voting date

    but why hate them for that?

    why not ask ourselves "what have we done that would make this person act this way?"

    oh ya....... put them behind a register and bring in thousands .They're lucky to be paid 150 at the end of the week

    i think the right way is not to expose those who aren't ready for it to bigger ideas

    ignorance is bliss

    shit I wish i was an idiot....and i know they're be a fool who'll say I am an idiot.....

    exactly why people shouldn't be exposed to things they arent ready for
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  4. Yahunyahti

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    I don't believe in Democracy. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
    Real leaders don't have to ask for your votes. They are born leaders and the people see it and put them in power. The people stand behind them because they represent the people. They are a voice for the people and a guide for the people, not for corporations, bankers and oil ty••••s.


    Correction: Without money you cannot run a campaign in a society that is completely locked down by the Trilateral Commission. People run campaigns in Democracies. I'm not a politician nor do I vote for them.


    Most powerful in politics.
    Most invisible too.

    Perhaps

    What can I say, I'm rediculous.

    Why do you always insert this? It's like you're trying to allign yourself with what I'm saying and at the same time attempting to sway what I know to be true for what you believe to be untrue.

    It is really lame.

    They have every reason in the world to believe in the force called God.
    Religion isn't necessary, this part is true. But stop saying that everybody must be as ignorant as you are. You are not Agnostic. You disbelieve in God. You have already made that clear in the past when you said, "God does not exist."


    You have misread what I said. I said that Capitalists (the people who profit off of Capitalism) should not be able to do what they do. But, in a Capitalist society they will and they do.

    I wonder what would happen if suddenly Communists began running for city, county and state positions? Do you suppose that Capitalists would allow the people to choose Communist leaders? No, they wouldn't. They would create propaganda against those persons. If that didn't work then they would try another tactic. If the people stood behind them, the Capitalists would have them killed.

    That is not Democracy.
    This country is not a Democracy.
    Democracy cannot work.

    What makes people always so certain that all options have been tried?
    I am not a Communist, Socialist, Liberal, Democrat or Republican. I don't support the divided world and it's divided (illusionary) governments. They are bullshit. The people are being deceived. anybody who feeds into it is deceiving their self.


    Who said they are dumb? I consider the man who avoids politics to be a wise man. And no, I don't vote. It is impossible to fall for something if you don't participate in it. I am not a politician. I don't vote for politicians. I want nothing to do with politics. I don't even enjoy discussing it. It is a foolish man-made game that works only in a divided world.


    Not really, the media will make sure that people know his full name.
    I said, "Most voters don't even know the candidate(S) full names."
    That is plural, not singular. Knowing one candidate's name is not the same as knowing the candidates nameS.


    Ad Hominem

    You have a weak mind. That isn't an insult. It is a fact.
    Whenever somebody says something that you don't like, you resort to insults.
    It never fails.


    Or the most open minded and it only seems to you that I am close minded because you are open to all the wrong things and closed to all truth.

    ???

    It's a fact. She is a woman and she will win because she is a woman.
    That's not sexist. It's a simple fact of the matter statement.
    [funny]

    Obama has no advantages over Clinton other than the fact that he is a better candidate. In this country, that means nothing. It's all about who you know.
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  5. Yahunyahti

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    It is not an opinion. It is a fact.
    You'll see. I said in 2001, right after 9-11 that Bush would get two terms and then Clinton would follow. Since the early 90's it has been the Bush and Clinton family.
    That is not going to change this year. People have no hindsight. They are unable to see what is right in front of them because they are too busy living their lives to study what has happened. A man with a wife and several children, mortage, insurance, the kid's sports, his job, etc does not have time to concern himself with politicians and their bullshit. He just turns the TV on for an hour a night and takes in the little nonsense that the media throws to him.


    Do you really believe this or are you lying on purpose?
    I don't believe that you're this ignorant so I'm left to assume you're playing stupid which makes you a fraud. Either way it is no good.

    Bush became a lame duck because Clinton needs to take office.
    Bush played the role he was supposed to play and the Democrats did their part and the people bit. That became obvious when the people voted in a Democrat and Florida rigged the shit. That wasn't just the Bush Admin . . . People are way too naive for their own good.

    That's all it is. It is cheese on the mouse trap and the people are biting every time.


    Why would I thank you for that? It's not like your vote actually mattered. Have you not been paying attention?

    Your personal attacks get really old. You need to gain some self control and learn how to analyze what is being said to you. 99% of your responses are so totally reactionary and built on emotional foundations that you assume a lot of shit that simply is not being said and end up making shit up (which goes against your credibility) just to win an argument that couldn't matter less.

    1. The man who works at Taco Bell is not a working man. He is a schmuck who works for a Multi-Billion Dollar Corporation and gets paid Minimum Wage to do it.
    That alone should disqualify him for a vote in who leads the coutnry.

    2. Him selling Gorditas and Chalupas has nothing to do with me being able to type on the computer. I have worked for everything I have ever had. You know nothing about me other than what you have elected to believe from what I have presented to you. (Besides, you average much more time on here than I do, I just stand out more and my presense is so large that it seems I am here when I am not actually here and you are so small and insignificant that it takes four of your posts for every one of mine to even get you noticed.)

    3. I am a 25 year old married man. I haven't lived at home for almost 9 years. Stop slinging out the same lame (made up) insults that you have been corrected on, countless times before. It makes you appear weak and petty. That is not how a "Man" acts.

    4. I didn't say that people who work at Taco Bell are dumb (though most of them seem to be slightly off upstairs). But they are not politicians, students of politics or knowledgable on subjects of sigificance. Good Will Hunting was a movie. When was the last time that actually happened? I thought you read and deal in reality? Now you're basing your reality judgments off of a movie that was written by Ben Aflect? Real intelligent, Menaz.


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    So you think the person who sells Chalupas should be paid the same as the man or woman who deals in politics? Are you retarded? That is goofy. They should make more than they do, but no . . . they do not earn the same pay as the people who run the country.

    Teenagers don't have a vote, btw, so I'm clearly not referring to them.
    It's usually retards, druggies and fuck ups who work at Taco Bell. Let's be honest here. It takes them 20 minutes to make a couple Nacho Cheese Chicken Chalupas and a few Chicken Soft Tacos. They're not all there in the head.

    Don't worry about what I do.
    That will be made known in its time.


    I'm not talking about Men compared to Women, goof. I'm talking about MEN AND WOMEN as a whole are not created equally. You know, "All men are created equally."? I just threw women in the mix because the men of the past were sexist asses.

    Two women are not going to be equal in abilities. One will be more capable than the other. Two men are not going to be equal in abilities and knowledge. One will be more capable than the other. You do not claim to believe in the Spirit of Human Beings and therefore you have no reason to consider human beings spiritually equal.

    I am challenging you to show me how human beings are equal if human minds and abilities are not equal.

    Good luck, Gump.
    Your views are nothing more than accepted bullshit.
    You don't know shit. It's clear to anybody who does.
    You just regurgitate information.
    You're a parrot who recites back what he hears.
    Nothing more.

    [funny] @ Upper Class and Typical

    Okay
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  6. Yahunyahti

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    The average (common) person just wants to go to work, have a home, have a family, have enough food, decent clothing, a nice vacation each year and relax in the evenings. That is all most people want. If they have that, then they have nothing to complain about. They are not leaders. They are not politicians and they have no business making laws.
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  7. MC VeXeD

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    ya but business making laws trickle down and effect them as well..... usually negatively
    to give an example......
    I used to live in NY..... and helped run a small business with my father
    a AAA tow truck business...

    as 9/11 occurred, we watched in horror. We thought, "Can this possibly affect the business?"

    of course that wasn't our first thought, god bless the dead

    Sure enough, all NYers were asked to "Volunteer," while out of state contractors were brought in and were being paid. Very well might I add.

    As 2 months passed, we didn't have half as much business....

    after a year, luckily we had money saved and moved to Miami

    imagine those, who didnt have a business

    It hurts my heart to think of them
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  8. menaz

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    Only thing is you're not a leader you're a demagogue.
    you're all RETHORIC, you wouldn't know how to run shit.
    And Of course you don't believe in Democracy you want to Rule.
    You have Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold Nostalgia.


    Therefore, You don't take part in Democracy. There is no correction needed, What you said is basically what I said. Only You seem to think you can run campaigns without Money that is impossible. However, The money that is funded should be closely Regulated making sure no outside Agenda's get inside.


    Stop acting like you know what I'm talking about.



    that Joke bombed. And yeah, You are rediculous.



    That is how I see it must be done. I am a impartal Agnostic. I must be one to fight Theocracies. Once their is no more Belief or Unbelief I will have accomplished my goal through Democracy. not by the sword.


    God makes religion necessary. God almost certainly does not exist: However statistically improbable the entity you seek to explain by invoking a designer, the designer himself has got to be at least as improbable. God is the Ultimate Boeing 747. You are the ignorant one. You're the one who does not question If God is or Isn't. You are the one that Believes blindly. Because you are a Believer. And your God Hypothesis is bullshit. Because it is also impossible to disprove the existence of an orbiting teapot, tooth fairies,unicorns, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.






    Why can't they do it? What are they doing azues?
    Who are you to tell everyone what to do?
    What is wrong with Profiting? Nothing!
    So you're Idea is to put an end to free will?




    Communism as poilitcal parties do not work. Communism is not perfect, it is run by a man, and this man can be corrputed. However, communism that is non-political Idea which is great.

    The majority of Americans are not Communist. They are democrat and Republican. The communist or the buzz word they use today SOCIALIST can run and do but they wouldn't win becuase they are the miniority.And I wouldn't vote for a Communist government.


    You're right the majority of people in democracy are not about Communism. That is exactly how a democracy works.


    You can Look at history, USSR, CHINA, NORTH KOREA, Communism governments fail. They might be unlikeable, But you need democracies to take out theocracies. One only has to look at constantinople, byzantine empire, and Ottoman Empire, the nations of islam, to know Theocracies are complete bullshit and don't work. not then. not now. not ever. Democracy is needed for the revolution, Because the revolution will not be a violent one.
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  9. menaz

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    No the one who advoids politics Can not lead. Example President of Iran, Everytime he goes out in Public to the UN he always knows how to
    look Humble and Submissive. However, Turn the camras off and you will
    see a beast of man planning world Dominance. By 2009, He will have nukes.And things will get interesting. That is why you will never be a leader. Whoever, I concure you should stay out of poilitics.




    Please you contradicted yourself. If a mistake is made the News does correct it. You're grasping.




    that's not actually a Ad hominem. because what your said wasn't worth dicussing. It was actually more of a back handed complement to somthing you opinionated. I'm not attacking you personally for saying it, other than the fact I found it to be a doltish opinion.

    it's your Opinion, just like it's in my rights to call you a dolt for having an opinion based on forsight and not insider infromation. Just easier to call your Opinion stupid. Saves me time. If you don't know how it was stupid then I guess your claiming you are stupid.


    What is turth? But subjection. i'm More of a facts Guy.




    it's sexist. You're basically saying it doesn't matter if she is smart or not.
    The Simple fact she has tits and pussy make here the WINNER. You know
    I see why you don't vote now.



    He has the least experience. He's Idea's are demagogue.
    You're not voting so why care?
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  10. menaz

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    No it is your opionion based on nothing but your cynical nature.
    Predicting bush winning does not make you a sage. Alot of people
    said he would win again. You're not special. Even I claimed he would
    win. If clinton does or doesn't, who cares? Are you saying your the Reclusive shut in, with all the answers for the dumb people? People are not dumb like you think. They just don't share in your interests, You're like the village Idiot to them.

    I have a job, I pay mortage, I have insurances to pay, yet I find time to pay attention to the world. Some people are made for it others just don't give a shit about it and rather focus on family. If you don't want to be political then why do you keep making political predictions in politics? yet Another contradiction.


    Last Mid-term election the People voted the Senate and House filled with repulicans out of Office. The Demagogue Democrat's whole campaign was run on the Notion that they would end the war in Iraq. The Democrats are working in congress to do that in something called the "Iraq bill" Which the Democrat's paid off voters on both sides of the Aisle inorder for it too pass. Democracts are doing their job for the people, Whoever Bush is such a lame duck after losing the house and senate all he has left is veto power. He is a lame duck, but in the eyes of some the VTEO POWER makes him only a Wounded-lame duck.



    You can't back that up with facts. it's just your very leftist Opinion of what happend. Also you should remember the thread were I Total shit all over CT/Bev Harris. Please bring Bush's Brother Jeb to trail. If you think your case is that strong hell go ahead and prosecute him. Otherwise, Your thoughts stay in the allegedly catagory other-wise you can be charged with libel misconduct.



    Or perhaps, it's your cheese you much more perfer they bit into.



    It mattered. I pay attention to everything. Which is why I know it mattered. BLING, BLING, You demagogues!



    You're boring bloviating repeative demagoguing is what is old. You could put people to sleep with the boring shit you write. I can diss you and Analyze at the sametime. I'ma a multitasker. I assume? This coming from the Guy perdicting election out comes before they happen? This comming from the same guy who wants nothing to do with poilitics yet keeps talking about politics? LOL! Nothing I've ever posted to you has been out of emotion. You're just dumb.

    At least the Tacobell working man WORKS. What do you do besides tell the taco bell employees how much more superior you are to them? Maybe you should get off your lazy ass and make a Multi-billion dollar corporation. Minimum wage is the accept terms. It's better than slavery, were people got no wages. You obviously have no idea how bussiness works, Bussiness hires people, this can make the bussiness and economy BOOM successfully, this makes POOR PEOPLE not HOMELESS PEOPLE. Would you rather work honest Job at taco-bell or be a slave to kim jong il?

    yeah it does. He is working providing.
    Your at home bitter and anger thinking the whole world owes you.
    I'm only on here at night after Work. You are constantly making stupid threads.Kinda of hard to miss the threads when you post so many like thats all you have to do with your time. I don't care who notices my threads, I don't take this as a pissing contest like you do. RM is not my life. it is your life. I won't even reply back just to show you how much I couldn't give a shit.
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    Lie. One weak you're married the next week your not. One week you have kids the next week you don't. one week your 26 the next week your 25. One week your kid is dead the next week you never had a dead kid. You make up the lamness of your life. I just point it out. How would you know how a man acts? LOL! Drama queen trying to a MAN how to act. Fuck what you think. You can't control anyone.

    Yes you are calling them dumb. You're not a politican. your not a student of politics. And your not really that knowledgable on much. I also don't see how you can make that clam so Generally and pigeonhole tacobell workers. you're being a pompous ass to them. good will hunting was just an example showing you not everyone is dumb just because they work at fast-food joints. The movie analogy is people are not dummies because they work tacobell jobs. You call yourself a Observer? I've met plenty of People in reality smart enough to vote. People can fool you. No I was making a anaology to break your stereotypes. But I can't expect a demagogue to follow along. Stop believing in so much of your own
    bullshit and join the world again.



    That's the utopian communist in me. I thought you wanted equallity?
    Now you're telling these people they are lesser than everyone else?
    Ummm, seem to me it doesn't matter what I say you'll be a reactionary against it. What does a Movie star do, Besides read lines someone else wrote, While trying to look emotional on the mark as the director guides them through it scene by scene how he wants it to sound, look, and feel.
    Actors don't even create those Characters, those characters are already created for them. And your gonna tell me Brainless movie-stars should be paid 20 million for shit they can teach a m.onkey to do in movies like dustin checks in? I'd rather respect a comedian.

    No shit sherlock, You have to be 18.

    I never said teenagers vote anyway.pay attention. I'm saying you Piegonhold people, Or they are Teenagers. Or they are Older retired people. Or it is their choice. i'm telling you Taco bell is maybe up of more than just 21 yearolds who vote. I'm saying your stereotyping, generalizing, hate-mongering, and being a pompous ass thinking your better than people who work for a living.

    What do you do besides jack off to porn all day, and post nonsense 24 hours aday.





    Fuck that, I will worry.
    If your gonna bash working class people for making a living.
    I'm gonna point out your jobless, retarded, bitter, and angery at the world.




    Don't speak vaguely. Though I kind of Doubt your Not a sexist pig in real life.

    This is true in if you pigeonhole people!

    One will have the gifted abilty to be a doctor. the other one won't have that gifted abilty to be a doctor. Therefore, taco bell is the lesser ones opportunity of choice, out of so many other places that one could've worked as an employee at for the moment. However, lesser opportunity and lesser gifted ability does not make that other one stupid. simplely for lacking Doctor gifted abilities and opportunity. Just means that other one has intelligence in other areas such as Music, Comedy, Art, Politics, writting, But inorder for that other one to reach his/her's Goal in life, That other one is going to have to work a bunch of shit jobs to get there. start from the bottom and work your way up. that aspect is sort of Analogous to the School process.



    Tacobell does not equal stupid. Tacobell equals convenient profit for the moment. Many people worked odd jobs before making it big with their abilities.

    Too generalize tacobell employees as all similar is a modus tollens, you've created a fallacy. If they are that dumb azues, You think they care enough to vote in the frist place? NO!



    I know more than you that's for sure. take you off GOOGLE.
    I tear you apart in real life discussion. Anyone on this site could.
    You're a pompous ass who puts others down to make yourself
    feel better. You're fucking pathetic just like your whole paralyzed
    life. When I think of a regurgitating parrot? I think... Does Azues what a cracker ?
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    then you are not for democracy and this whole fucking conversation has been a waste of time.
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    Yea, it is sad how many people suffered after 9-11 and how many corporations grew larger. What's equally sad is how certain Global Organizations profited off of the 9-11 attack, not to mention the man who took out a large insurance policy on the 9-11 building the week of the supposed "surprise attack on America." (What's worse is the lies that our leaders have been caught spewing and nothing is being done about it)

    Glad you and your family came out of it alright.
    You've certainly been blessed.
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    1. Clinton will win the election. It is not a prediction, it is an already decided fact. The Democratic Party will decide who their candidate is and there is no way that they will place Obama in front of Clinton, she's put her work in for the Party. He hasn't. Besides, it was all decided back in the 80's. Everything was planned 20 years ago and has gone (almost totally) as was intended. There have been a few setbacks but nothing completely unexpected. You know nothing.

    2. I have never said that I am not married. I have never said that I am 26. I challenge you to prove me wrong. You will fail if you try.

    3. China is actually on the rise and Communism is working wonders over there, regardless of whatever rhetoric you regurgitate. Democracy is destined to turn into a Tyranny with the Tyrant being a Corporate Elite. That is the destiny of Democracy. It was predicted by the creator of Agnosticism and his Grandson predicted everything that is occuring now in America. You need to read more. Do your homework cause you're failing at the course called life.

    4. No matter how hard you try to spin my words, I never said anything bad against working class people. I respect them far more than any politician. You need to learn how to think for yourself without your conditioning, parrot. Working Class People have no business picking their leaders. Does the man who works the register at Taco Bell get to choose their manager? Why then would they choose their nation's leaders? If they cannot choose their managers based on the fact that they are unable to manage a company, why would they be allowed to choose their leaders if they are unable to lead their country? I would say that is common sense, unfortunately it isn't. You are the evidence of this fact, being that you are very common and can make no sense of my words.

    5. You very slyly avoided my question, hoss. If there is no soul and all that a man or woman is, is a brain and abilities . . . then what makes human beings equal if human brains are not equal and abilities vary? How can they be equal if there is nothing making them equal? You cannot answer that question and I predict that you will try to avoid it again. You know that you can't provide a real answer to it. If you try, I will destroy your entire agnosticism. Parrot. You're a reactionary Christian Atheist. Deal with it.
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  15. menaz

    menaz Avant Garde

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    LMAO! Demagoguing as usual.

    I actually came up with this brilliant analogy based on something howard Stern advocates. I call it the Stern effect for American idol. Everyone knows that black chick (dolittle) is who the judges say is the best Singer and that she should receive the majority votes and become the next American idol. After all the Judges sway to her with Bias. But there is one thing to fuck their years of wanting us to vote for the person they want, THE PEOPLE THROWING A CURVE BALL. These curve ball people Wish to destory American idol. So they start a movement called vote for "Sanjay". Instead of judges swaying you to pick "dolittle" because they think she is the best singer the curve ball people Orginize and sway the vote to Sanjay. Whether he is a good singer or she is a good singer is persoanal Perception. One thing is clear though, It throws a m.onkey wrench into the judges swayful Plans.

    The Whole site knows you lie about your life from day to day.
    Why don't you prove your real life if your so worried about it. LOL!


    Acutally China has fallen victim to the dark side of Capitialism, economically. And because of this china's economy is booming. Perhaps, You should learn Economics. Then you'd learn, Capitialism is the only way countries thrive in this world. Just as you are perdicting the election, LOL! Failing at life? I wouldn't say I was the one failing at life. I'd say you're the one feeling insecure about your own life, now your trying to deflect your retarded nagative thoughts onto others over a message board. LOL! You = not in the real world.



    Yes you did. You're words speak for themself. You respect them so much but you think they are waaay too stupid to vote. LOL! Azues want a cracker? In the Nextline, you prove my point. I don't know if you are aware of this or not because you seem uneducated but in democracy Every citizen of the United States has a right to Vote, regradless of what you think, that is the law. Listen Dummy, and yes you are a dummy. The Manger does not work for the man wanting to be an Employee, The Employee works for The tacobell and is hired by the manger. just like the manger works for that one franchize of Tacobell. Inother words, The Employee works for the Manger not the other way around. Furthermore, That Man at tacobell does not work for the President, the persident works for that man who's job is working at Tacobell. The man who works for tacobell is employing a President of the united states of america. Just like the rest of the citizens with different jobs in this country are employing a president for the united states of america. You're common sense equals demagogue dumbness. I concur, it is a good idea you continue not to vote. You're discrimnating against american citizen rights. It's not democracy discriminating here, it is you.

    WOW!


    Hoss? What is this a dukes of hazzard rerun? The fact we are people makes us equal. you twit. Unless bitter people like you want to become Hitler and advocate a eugenics campaign. Noone advoided shit. You just don't read. However, You do avoid everything. Destory my Agnosticism? LOL! First off, I am a Impartial Agnostic. Christian? LOL! Atheist? LOL can you say Oxy-moron? Shut up Demagogue you bore me. I finally see you for what you are. A sad confused emotionally mixxed up bitter dumb no nothing man trapped in his own personal purgatory of lintellectual inadequacies. Good luck with that.

    This whole back and forth with you. Not worth it. You're completely retarded.
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  16. Yahunyahti

    Yahunyahti New Member

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    I find it interesting that you edited your post. I do this also, but for a much different reason. I am obsessive compulsive with grammar and spelling. It drives me nutts if I notice a spelling mistake or if something can be worded more clearly. Often I will edit to repair such things. You clearly are not concerned with grammar and spelling issues and so I am left with only one other motivation behind your edit . . .

    You watch American Idol?



    The whole site "believes" that I lie about my life from day to day.
    Knowledge and belief are not the same thing. Knowledge cannot be a belief in somebody else's claims. At least not true knowledge, pseudo knowledge can I suppose. After all, that is what you rely on when you quote Dawkins and others.

    When one makes an accusation, the burden of proof is left on them. Innocent until proven guilty, remember? Unless you view me as a black man, then I suppose the reverse is a reality.

    Capitalism is the best system that has been put into practice so far. That does not mean it is the end-all-be-all of governing possibilities. Imagine if people stopped traversing the globe just because the majority believed that the world was flat. Would we be building a base on the moon now?

    Capitalism works to an extent. There are other options. There are better options. We just have to build them. Remember, Capitalism wasn't always a reality. We made it real. Just as we made Capitalism real, we can make a new system real. Just takes intelligence, creativity and patience.


    Ignorance and Stupidity are not the same thing.
    Ignorance is lack of knowledge.
    Stupidity is the inability to pick up "new" knowledge.
    They are ignorant.
    You are stupid.
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  17. Yahunyahti

    Yahunyahti New Member

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    Wow, yet another aspect of your personality is taking form because of me.
    Nobody on this site has ever called another person a Parrot.
    Congrats, that's two aspects of your personality which you have incorperated from my replies in just one week. First you jacked my use of "perhaps" and now a variation of my use of "parrot"? That must be a new record.

    The Law is not set in stone. It was created by men and can be destroyed by men and recreated by men. When the concept was sold to the people that "all men are created equal" it was under the assumption that we come from a Divine Creator and all share a common Soul. You reject the soul and claim that we are nothing more than a brain and body. Now you must prove, under your atheism, that we are still created equally. That burden is on you and will remain on you so long as you claim we are all equal. I am asking you to prove that an inferior man should have the same "equal" vote as the superior man, since it is you who claims the mind is all we are. Why should their votes be counted the same when one is clearly smarter than the other? What makes the inferior's vote equal to the superior?

    Being human does not automatically make you equal, unless all humans have a soul. If humans are no more than advanced animals, the more advanced the human-animal, the more unequal they are to the less advanced human-animal.
    If the advanced mind is worth 10 common minds and the inferior mind is worth 1/2 of the common mind then we have the equasion of:
    10+0.5 =
    You are saying that 10+0.5 is equal.
    I am asking you how they are equal.

    1 and 1 are equal.
    2 and 1 are not equal.
    10 and 1/2 are certainly not equal.

    This is basic logic that you appear to be struggling with and ducking from acknowledging through rhetoric and ad hominems. Either you understand that you have lost this debate and don't wish to admit it, or you really can't see that your entire belief system is flawed. I'm not sure which it is. Only you know for sure.

    For the third time, "If there is no soul and all we are is a human brain then how can human beings be equal if some brains are very obviously and clearly greater than others? What makes us equal?"

    It is fair to say that Lions are not equal. One male lion may have the strength of 3 male lions and that makes the others inferior to him, as a lion. If humans are just animals then the human being who has the mind of three grown human beings trumps them all and makes them inferior. The inferior cannot be equal to the superior without something that trumps that which makes them different. There must be something greater than the mind to make them equal. What is greater than the mind if mind is all we are? Human equality is an American concept. It was concocted by the mentally superior and fed to the mentally inferior who loved being humored. Nobody would agree that Michael Jackson is equal to Michael Jordan when it comes to basketball and nobody would ever say that Michael Jordan is equal to Michael Jackson when it comes to music and dance. We only consider Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson to be equals because we accept that they were brought into existence by the same Divine Force/God and are filled with the same Divine Spirit. If they are not, then they are not equal. This is a very, very simple concept.


    That is obviously the problem here.
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  18. MC VeXeD

    MC VeXeD New Member

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    the biggest mistake I see in Menaz's mentality is..... he sees a country's economy as the economy of the people. When a country's economy booms, the poor become poorer. If you call that thriving, you have a lot to learn.
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