communism and socialism

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  1. th3r3isn0futur3

    th3r3isn0futur3 Active Member

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    mayn, I see mad che guevara shirts, sycle and hammer shits, etc...

    I realize most people don't know the first thing about any of this shit, but those who do have a little background knowledge... whut exactly propels one to support communism or socialism?

    I always laugh when people try to make any government/social/economic system seem perfect, because there really is no perfect system due to human nature
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  2. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    compassion
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  3. teq the decider

    teq the decider sexual predator

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    The kind of people youre describing arent socialists. They are simply trying to broadcast their opposition to 'the man' by wearing the relevant apparel and spouting the rhetoric. Its vapid posturing.

    Of the sincere socialists that still exist, and there are many, few will openly describe themselves as such most preferring to agitate under the banner of environmentalism.

    As far as what motivates someone to adopt socialism there are two catergories. Of those that truely understand socialism, that it inevitably results in the domination of a minority ruling class over a majority ruled class, the principal requisite seems to be power lust. The second catergory are those that do not really understand socialism and in this instance the principal requisite is envy.
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    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    true story...

    and communism?
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  5. menaz

    menaz Avant Garde

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    There's Communism and then there is communism.
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    teq the decider sexual predator

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    the distinction between communism and socialism is a largely meaningless one. The socialist can be said to be slighty less(ever so slighty) myopic than the communist because at least he recognises the need of state machinery to undertake what he advocates.
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  7. th3r3isn0futur3

    th3r3isn0futur3 Active Member

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    whuts the difference


    I'm talkin bout the people who think everything should be united as one... a single enterprise, government-owned and run by the people... a system that has truly yet to be tested

    it is my belief that the ambitions of men truly incapacitate the ability for any group of people to truly form a socialistic society and succeed perfectly in applying the theory

    how about the amish? actually there are several self-sufficient, dominantly religious, groups living in the united states that have no currency; they actually produce all their own food, and take care of their own - they don't pay taxes, among other things... theres a group in montana too..

    how closely would someone relate that to a socialistic style of life
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  8. menaz

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    A communist promotes communism without political ties to a Communist party. Where As Communist are apart of government and political parties.

    Lenin, stalin, Mao Tse tung, kim Jon il, would be your Communist.
    CHE(early years), Marx, Freiedrich Engels, would be your communist.
    The Communist took the communist Ideals and not only runined the
    true intent but used it to their elitist advantage.

    I believe CHE was always a true communist at heart. That would explain why he disbanded from the national bank of cuba and left castro and continued revolutionizing in Bolivia up until his death. Though CHE did summary execuated Prisoners.

    Why do you think the theory of communism is impossible?
    I can think of a few reasons. But go head give it a shot.

    Actually the Amish pay property tax, income tax, and sales tax. The Amish are genetal people. They stay to themselfs. They aren't looking for change through socialistic revolution. Their not building a socialist militia or their own state within the United states. They are people of Faith and their own Culture analogous to Indians way of life in america. I would say the Amish like the Socialist are both agriculturist. Though it is important to not generalize all amish into one catagory anymore because not all are similar. Some have adapted to the 20th century. e.i. They use electricity.
    And do pay taxes. Moreover, Socialist don't believe in God's religion, because to them socialism is the religion.

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    Socialism is a tricky Movement. Alot of socialist don't even agree with other socialist on the doctrines of socialism.

    in short, amish aren't communist by a long shot, But their economical ethics do seem analogous to communist, but not Communist.
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  9. th3r3isn0futur3

    th3r3isn0futur3 Active Member

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    "how closely would someone relate that to a socialistic style of life"

    thas why I said that... similar way of life, never said they WERE communism or socialist... obviously they're plain and simple religious fanatics. the groups of people I'm talking about are the original, not the "modernized" amish, which is kind of an oxymoron. its like judging baptists by catholics - similar ideas, yet very different religions.


    anyways, I believe communism is impossible because it is human nature to be amitious - and communism doesn't reserve the possibility to act upon ambition unless people do it as a whole. imaginate tu how difficult it is to get a whole nation ambitious about a single persons wants or desires.

    its the fact that people are rarely ever satisfied with recieving only what they NEED, and giving the fruits of their hard labor to everyone else. if you see how people complain about the taxation we have today, imagine whut it would be like if the government took ALL your money and gave you enough just to live.

    socialism and communism don't allow for any competition in business, doesn't allow for abstract thinking.

    if the government were to own everything, how would people act? people don't care about that which they do not own; think how people might treat things.

    besides the fact that its been proven a system destined to never work, I think human nature, both good and bad instincts, prevents a true socialist or communist economy from ever being possible.

    it actually goes against the fabrics of nature itself - survival of the fittest.
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    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    i agree with what a lot of both people on both sides are saying...

    solution?

    dialectical utopianism
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