I think sometimes when you talking you come across racially insensitive (which i'm sure you would have no issue with that) or just from a biased male white view. The post did explain alot, although it is still through your own white perspective. I too could post it from my own black perspective, especially in corporate america, the inherent disadvantages for minorities (especially since I've done the recruiting and hiring at companies like Coke, IBM, Microsoft, HP, Wells Fargo, etc...but i've realized it isn't so much racisim as it is the nepotism and cronyism that takes place in corporate america. I mean 70% of jobs are never advertised to the public, I know from the inside they aren't. Hiring Managers will usually hire their buddies or their friends buddies for jobs and if almost all of them are white, then they are usually hiring from a small pool of their white friends, associates, family. Sometimes you need affirmative action to make sure they are looking at a wider pool of candidates of which they might not have considered. I mean look at the NFL, it is a sport dominated by blacks, however they still have a hard time getting jobs in the front office and as head coaches and it took the Rooney Rule (affirmative action) just to get alot of NFL teams to even consider interviewing a black person as a coach. Because lot's of white head coaches were teaching their son's and friends how to be head coaches, often giving their offense/defense coordinater jobs to their friends and children. Look at the Tampa Bay Bucs Coach, he was young and extremely inexperience, but had the qualities u like in a head coach, and look how he has turned that team around. Now he would have never got that chance if the Rooney Rule was put in place. Now if it's like that in something we dominate in, think how hard it is to move up the chain in something we are the extreme minority in (corporate america) Let me just say what Colin Powell said, affirmative action only gets you thru that door, once you get the job you are only judged by your performance and most often more critically.