ciara - promise

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  1. Ignorant

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    And it's not the "youth factor," because like I said earlier, B. Spears was sexy at 17... before the implants.
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  2. Brahman

    Brahman Mel Van Peebles

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    saw this for the 1st time today

    from allmusic.com review:

    "... And then in comes "Promise," yet another song referencing Kraftwerk and Zapp, and it also takes cues from prime Janet Jackson and Aaliyah — so, no, it's not different at all. Make no mistake, though. The song is tremendous, one of the sexiest, slow-tempo, non-breakup songs of the past ten years."
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  3. Ignorant

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    Those AM reviewers can be kinda inconsistent... but usually, they're on point. They gave "Kingdom Come" 2.5 stars and when I posted the review in HHC, the heads there flipped... you can't convince Jay Z loyalists that he is not God... whassup Ixtlan?
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  4. Ixtlan

    Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou...

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    Here goes the hard-headed Nas enthusiast again.

    I've always been level-headed about Jay.
    This album is probably just north of average for him.
    It's not as bad as you make it out to be though.
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  5. Ixtlan

    Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou...

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    You say that as though Spears is the standard bearer for "sexy".
    Come on now.

    Every woman is different.
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  6. Ignorant

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    Wait a minute, you're backpedaling... when it dropped, you were calling it a classic. What happened?

    I haven't heard the album yet... my barber is a Jay Z fan, I might cop it from him.
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  7. Brahman

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    i see what you're saying about how she is when standing still, but the confident transformation she makes while dancing lets you know that when challenged... she'll likely deliver. that dichotomy can have sex appeal.

    she's a libra-scorpio, which is a damn good astrological love combo... means she has a penchant for both romance and raw sensuality

    have you heard timberlake's new joint?

    amg gave it 3 stars

    if you have heard it, would you agree with that rating?
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  8. Brahman

    Brahman Mel Van Peebles

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    now that i think about it, her being on the cusp like that may add to those two awkward sides to her... two energies that are different in many ways clashing within
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  9. Ignorant

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    Nah, I haven't heard the JT joint... his music doesn't interest me.

    My main loves are hip hop and jazz... with a mild interest in rock, blues & soul.
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  10. Ixtlan

    Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou...

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    Here you go...

    I never said it was a classic. I said at first listen it seemed that way, but that I would have to do more critical listening first before I would stand on that. I then came back and said that it wasn't a classic album, but still a solid effort.
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  11. Ignorant

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    But do you see how your "classic-until-proven-not" approach to Jay Z can be so flawed, though?

    That makes me think that much of your judgement is not based on his material, but rather skewed by his larger-than-life persona... but you're not alone... the rest of his die-hard fans feel the same way. Jigga can do no wrong.
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  12. Ixtlan

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    A gross misappropriation of my words.
    There is always a vast difference between the first sitting and more critical listening. I reserved real judgment until I gave myself an opportunity to listen 'from a distance'.

    And the moment I did I readily admitted it was not a classic album.
    In fact all I said from the beginning is that Jay "might've penned another classic album". That's hardly me running through the streets attesting to his greatness.

    You want badly to lump me into a category with a bunch of mindless fans.
    So you can completely disregard my commentary.
    You know better though. You know I know my shit.
    I've always been honest about his material.

    I don't know a way to be anymore balanced and fair in saying that this album was "just north of average".

    Take those Nas-colored glasses off.
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  13. Ignorant

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    Yeah, yeah... I know all of that... but do you mean to tell me that you never expected a classic before the album was released, simply because it was Jay Z and he "owned" the game before he "retired?"

    I know you didn't declare it a classic exactly... but the whole point is that you were expecting it to be...


    No, I want you to see that he's just an above average MC with an extraordinary talent for selling himself... whose reputation is built mostly off of hype and circumstance. And that he's been just as inconsistent artistically as Nas. Not exactly GOAT material.

    Nah, I'm being honest, too... and I didn't mention Nas until my above statement.

    This is just about Jay Z.
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  14. Ixtlan

    Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou...

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    Where, sir, have I ever gone on record having said anything remotely like that?

    Where does the speculation stop.
    There is no record that I've ever said that in this forum or anywhere else.
    You're reaching...

    All of this because the album isn't a classic?
    So if it had been he would be worthy of consideration?
    You slay me Iggy.

    You've never even heard it.
    Again, the album is above average and still a standard bearer for about 90% of the artists in the Rap game. My argument doesn't change.

    The thread itself is about Ciara.
    Dude you're obsessed with this.
    Take about 3 weeks off of listening to Nas records.
    And take down the shrine.
    *Laughing*
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  15. Ignorant

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    I never accused you of saying "I expected a classic"... I'm accusing you of expecting a classic.

    C'mon admit it...


    Nope, it's not just this album... I'm talking his whole career... Jay Z the rapper, not the CEO. Quit trying to simplify this.

    I will soon... and I'm expecting another average effort from an under-achieving rapper... so we'll see if he meets or surpasses my expectations.

    Do you mean 90% of the commercial rap artists in the game?

    Just because I love to hate Jay doesn't mean I'm a Nas fanatic... I stopped being a Nas fanatic circa '97 when he went totally commercial. You're trying to pin me there to avoid the very accurate and substantive comments I make about Jay Z and his overrated-ness... yes, I said it... overratedness!
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  16. That Nigga

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    why are y'all arguing about Jay-z in a Ciara thread in an R&B forum?
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  17. Ignorant

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    This shit goes way back between me and Ixt... he doesn't like that I slept with his sister, so he tries to get at me by saying Jay Z is the GOAT when he knows I don't like that.
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  18. That Nigga

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  19. Ixtlan

    Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou...

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    "And even after all my logic and my theory..."
    My only expectation was that he'd continue to do what got him to the dance.
    He did.

    You're reaching Iggy.

    Simplifying helps your argument.
    If you're really talking career you have no leg to stand on.

    You've been a fan of the Rap genre long enough to know that term has virtually no meaning today.

    You're the biggest Nas fanatic I've ever been exposed to.
    You won't even admit he's been inconsistent.

    Until you address my entire position on why Jay-Z is at least worthy of 'greatest of all-time' consideration your argument is porous and doesn't hold water. You continue to simplify my argument to no avail.
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  20. Ixtlan

    Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou...

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    *Snifling*

    Only because he tried sleeping with my brother first...
    My little sister doesn't play second fiddle to anybody buddy!!!
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