Chuck Norris talks about getting tapped out by Gracies

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  1. Jay Bee

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    I saw him on YouTube in a tournament. U hit the guy and the ref blows a whistle. Am I missing anything?

    Besides the amazing grappling he is said to have
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  2. Makabreli

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    [youtube]Oaa8mv_bsy8[/youtube]

    Chuck Norris vs Joe Lewis trying to knock each other out. and trust, joe lewis has knocked motherfuckers out.
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  3. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    In a street fight anything goes, I fight to win, destroying balls and biting hunks of skin off are legit methods im willing to employ. Specially if im losing or would lose otherwise. If some punk tries to jump me or rob me and it goes into a scrap, im gonna rip his ears off, poke out his eyeballs, crush his nuts, shove sticks up his arse etc etc. fuck it


    chuck also started up a full contact Karate tournament that still goes on today. Its got legit fighters and always has.

    Bruce could hold 2 150lb dumbells straight out in front of him for hours, He could also kick a 300lb heavy bag into the ceiling. He was only 145lbs. But he was probably by weight one of the strongest men around.
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  4. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    You are missing quite alot. The old skool karate tournaments were far different than what you see now...they were Americanized versions of essentially bare knuckle shotokan matches. Hard punches. Linear strikes. In Chuck's heyday, when he was known for his jumpkicks, most of the fighters were White and had a kinda Rocky style about them. They were easy prey to his smooth basics and jump back kick [ Chuck was originally a Tang Soo Do stylist and Korean war vet, if memory serves ]. Why? Because many of the White fighters back then were slow, durable, strong, and employed almost robotic basics. This is because the Civil Rights movement was starting and people of color [ as well as different styles of fighting ] were strictly forbidden from the tournament scene.

    Yes. There were TONS of racist martial artists.

    Gloves and protection didn't become popular in tournament karate until Jhoon Rhee created the first popular hand and foot protection around the early 70's. Jhoon Rhee is frequently called The Father of American Taekwondo.

    Now. Neither Chuck nor Bruce could beat Sijo Steve Muhammad, who was known as Steve Sanders back then. And many of the feats attributed to Bruce have grown with the status of his amazing legend. He never held 145lbs or whatever in a locked position. Ever ever never. He was alleged to have "only" locked out with 75 lbs...which is still jaw dropping if you only weight 135lbs. like he did at his best. That's more than half your bodyweight held out parallel from his chest, with his arms extended like a NFL offensive lineman going into push off pass protection. Bruce was alleged to SLOWLY extend his arms out while grasping a barbell, then hold his arms in a straight out, locked position a barbell weighing 75 pounds for seconds in a row. That is insane tension power and tendon strength.

    But the thing with legends? We never saw them do that stuff with our own eyes. There's no video of Bruce doing anything like that...and trust. If he could do that? He'd've shown it. It's absolutely to his advantage to do so. Remember, he was trying to break into Hollywood ASAP. The more astounding he could be, the more astounding his feats? The better.

    That's why Bruce wouldn't enter tournaments. That's why Bruce never sparred with actual fighting champs like Steve Sanders aka Steve Muhammad. Bruce fought novices like Lew Alcindor [ the newly minted Kareem Abdul Jabbar ] and royally kicked his butt, but Bruce would have a seriously bad time if he fought say...Joe Lewis [ Rest In Power ]; who Steve Sanders beat. Or if he fought Chuck Norris...who Steve would also beat. Bruce would've had his hands full and probably would've lost to Benny "The Jet" Urquidez in Benny's prime.

    Fact is? Until we see him fight and beat the greats...neither Bruce or anyone else who hasn't publically fought the greats deserve in any way to be included in the pantheon of great fighters. There is no proof for such a grandiose claim. We know about Ali. About the Gracies. About Mayweather. About Sugar Ray. About Anderson Silva. About Buakaw. About Ernesto Hoost. About Mas Oyama. About Kano. About Kimura. Etc etc. Because WE SAW THEIR FIGHTS. We can't say that about Bruce. We only heard Bruce's adherents tell what they saw of Bruce...and they're more than a little biased, and stand to gain more than a little by such comparisons.
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  5. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    these guys were good fighters. The BKF bruthas beat both of them, and then stomped the holy snot out of everybody else for decades. The BKF...the Black Karate Federation...were the greatest single collection of tournament fighters in USA history. And we're not al lthe way gone. Nor will we ever be all the way gone, lol.
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  6. Makabreli

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    mas oyama was full of shit.

    but the real point is that bruce's legacy should be about his teaching and his film work. it is quite amazing.

    about his ability, as i have stated history shows great teachers are often not great competitors and vice versa. BUT he was obviously impressive enough to go up to established fighters and after the meeting was over, make them want to learn from him.
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