Bill Maher gets in scuffle: but are the Conspiracy Theorists right?

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  1. Sun Zoo

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    here's a question: what the fuck does it matter?

    if the government brought the towers down, they've already gotten away with it. Those people will be out of power in a year or so, there's no WAY you could convince any majority of people to believe it was a conspiracy before then, so this argument is completely fucking pointless.

    If Bush knocked down the towers, he wouldn't be held accountable for it any more than he will be held accountable for and of the other horrible things he has actually done.

    Focus your energy on a problem that can be solved, not something pointless, stupid, and in the pas. NONE of you are remotely qualified to assess any of this advanced level engineering data anyway. It's like watching ants argue about how a television works even though (a) they have no idea and (b) the answer is useless to them even if they figure it out.
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  2. Yahunyahti

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    [funny]
    haha


    You really think that if we ignore this they'll just retire and leave office and it'll all blow over? Apologize.
    Do you think it stops with the people who get in office?
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  3. LiveFromThe781

    LiveFromThe781 Don Of The Den

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    i may not be able to comprehend the actual engineering or scientific data but there are plenty of people who can and have.i think that i am qualified to find it suspi.cious that there are holes in the governments version of the story and with the information that has been presented by both sides i feel i am qualified to make my own assertions, opinions, and beliefs on the subject.

    i dont understand how you can say something that happened only 6 years ago, is in "the past" (as if it was hundreds or thousands of years ago..its the same fucking decade) especially when it wasnt something trivial like someone calling you a name, or stealing your bike when you were 5 it was the United States government murdering 3,000 of their own innocent people, collapsing two landmark towers, and then using that as means of control over the US citizens both in terms of revoking liberties and as a means of gaining support for war via scare tactics.

    they may have gotten away with it as of now but that doesnt mean people dont believe they were responsible. remember, before someone can be convicted there is a trial, while they may not be immediately brought to justice, eventually justice is served if found guilty.

    and this shit doesnt just "go away" when one president leaves office, this shit is deep. in fact most people doubt Bush has a fraction of the intelligence it would take to orchestrate something so huge, the real ones with blood on their hands are these people you never hear about. perhaps this of no concern to you, but to many other people both near and far this is a very big issue because it doesnt just impact America it affects the total world.
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  4. Yahunyahti

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    I'm surprised that anybody would say that. "Just pretend it didn't happen and go shopping."
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  5. KingMenace

    KingMenace YOU MAD.

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    You're using the tired and flawed logic that "Bush did it." I don't think anyone who knows what they're talking about will say that, because Bush is just a frontman. It's the unelected elites and their many bureacracies behind Bush which wield the real power and make the real decisions. Nothing Bush says or does is without their approval. Bush is simply propped up so you THINK he's the one in charge. These attacks were carried out by a black faction of one or multiple US intelligence agencies, combined with one or more private corporations of the military-industrial complex, and I am sure foreign intelligence played a role as well, including MI6, Mossad, and the Pakistani ISI.

    It won't matter who wins in '08, because they all represent the same masters behind the proverbial curtian -- the people who run and control the money supply. Hillary is no different. The only person who is different from all the rest is Ron Paul, and it's doubtful they're going to let him win without seeing a similar fate as JFK.

    And we don't even need to get into the engineering aspect of how the towers fell and what brought them down, because there is so much other evidence that points to government involvement besides simply physical evidence from the towers. We could start off by addressing the $100,000 that was wired to Mohammed Atta by the head of Pakistani intelligence, General Mahmoud Ahmed, just days before the 9/11 attacks, who was in Washington meeting with officials on the morning of the attacks. This was completely ignored by the 9/11 Whitewash Commission, as well as the collapse of WTC-7 and so much more.
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  6. KingMenace

    KingMenace YOU MAD.

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    The current power-regime in the U.S. murders 3000 of its own citizens in what can only be described as Treason of the highest order, and this guy says "concentrate on other things".
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  7. Yahunyahti

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    You know Menace, our past aside . . . it's good to see where you stand and see that you won't sway when confronted on it. Need more people out there like that.
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    People need to start getting together now to resist this crazy shit . . .

    and this shit is crazy. It's real crazy. We need some real protests and real marches.
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  9. Yahunyahti

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    And Menaz, don't come in here with that bullshit. We aint buyin it and if you're sellin it then you're with them.
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  10. menaz

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    Yeah and? That was a good question to ask someone who claims without proof controlled demolishion took down the towers. Ignore the evidence and repeat the lie that is what you are doing. If evidence doesn't work emotional appeal will. You've admitted you can't answer it. You've also admitted you can't provide evidence to back up your claim. Thus, You are lying or just so fantical you can't admit you're wrong.


    No what you are persenting is a invalid argument.
    You're reling on invalid logic regardless of the evidence provided.

    What you are persenting is Argument from Incredulity.
    " cannot imagine how P could possibly be true
    Therefore, not-P."

    You just admitted you don't care about how they could have done it.
    Then say, Fantically like a chritstian with a belief in a personal
    god all you need is your ignorant opinion to know they did it.
    This isn't God this is actual evidence which can and has been accounted for.
    That is why you have lost this argument.


    I have watched those videos it comes with the territory. You're wrong about "Pull it" on buliding 7 as well. If you would've read the link this wouldn't even been a question. Lets see what the real experts in controlled demolishion have to say...

    Brent Blanchard: "We have never once heard the term 'pull it' being used to refer to the explosive demolition of a building, and neither has any blast team we've spoken with. The term is used in conventional demolition circles, to describe the specific activity of attaching long cables to a pre-weakened building and maneuvering heavy equipment (excavators, bulldozers etc) to 'pull' the frame of the structure over onto its side for further dismantlement. This author and our research team were on site when workers pulled over the six story remains of WTC6 in late fall 2001, however we can say with certainty that a similar operation would have been logistically impossible at Ground Zero on 9/11, physically impossible for a building the size of WTC7, and the structure did not collapse in that manner anyway."

    http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC STUDY 8-06 w clarif as of 9-8-06 .pdf

    Go to page 9.


    Stop being a reactionary. I'm telling you to watch my videos for a good reason because I've already watched yours. I know you're argument. If I didn't know it I wouldn't be able to debunk it. You and those videos have already been disproven.

    Don't switch the argument to something bush said. We both already know bush has the worst grammar in presidental history. however, The meaning of what he said was: "I saw [that] an airplane hit the tower." He isn't claiming to have watched it as it happened, live. He is only saying that he saw the news blurb stating that an airplane hit the tower.

    But while we are on bushes thoughts for a minute... I'd like to point out he also thinks fish and man can co-exist peacefully together. And like a retard he thought OBGYNS weren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.

    We are talking about your 9/11 evidence which you have none of. Save the ad hominem attacks. We know bush isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.The man can't even open up a door correctly. It's also been suggested bush has a slight case of alzheimer's. And like I just cleared up and you agree... what bush said
    doesn't mean anything.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo
    Bush just may have Alzheimer's.

    All my links debunk you're videos.
    All you're videos are basically the same only with different creators and scary music. I can't debunk without looking at you're intial claims in the first palce.
    I've already known you're claims azues. You on the other hand don't know what you're talking about. You're arguing out of ignorance and ignoring evidence.


    You can throw meaningless videos at me that have been debunked all day long. But the videos I posted in my first reply already debunked everything you ask of me. But you won't I repeat won't WATCH THEM. You're under the illusion I don't know you're argument when infact I do, but the situation is you don't want to acknowledge anything other than you're tired arguments that have been debunked.

    Lets see what other... claims you have made.


    A jet liner with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel crashed into each of the towers at 500 mph. It would be su••••ious if they didn’t hear subsequent explosions.
    that was most likely some of the explosions heard. Like I Said, according to the controlled demolishion experts controlled demolishion produces a charge at the base of the buliding first (which can be seen) then goes up. It does not start at where the buliding was hit by a boeing 747 and then goes down.

    "how many of these explosions were electrical systems shorting, transformers and switchgear blowing, generators failing, steam pipes bursting, flaming debris and steel beams falling down elevator shafts, etc. Several reports call the sound of the actual collapse of tower 2 a "huge explosion."

    http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg3.html
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2674646408572574875
    transformer explosion.

    This was a sorry attempt azeus which has nothing to do with producing physical evidence of what you claimed -- controlled demolishion. Please produce the
    Squib's Remnants. det cord. which according to demolishion experts is always
    found afterward.

    Also important to note: Alot of people said they heard what sounded LIKE explosions. This Doesn't mean it was an actual controlled demolishion explosion or even a explosion at all. it just means it SOUNDED LIKE ONE. Alot of CT's do this with the quotes. They misrepersent what someone is actually saying. Quote mining is not uncommon in you're realm.
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  11. menaz

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    I take it you are talking about flight 93's crash in shanksville pennsylvania?
    I should inform you extensive debris including engines, personal effects, body parts and the black boxes were found at the crash site. Pictures of many of these items were introduced into evidence as the Zacarias Moussaoui trial.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp
    Eyewitness Account: "Peterson said he saw a fireball, heard an explosion and saw a mushroom cloud of smoke rise into the sky.Peterson rushed to the scene on an all-terrain vehicle and when he arrived he saw bits and pieces of an airliner spread over a large area of an abandoned strip-mine in Stonycreek Township."There was a crater in the ground that was really burning," Peterson said. Strewn about were pieces of clothing hanging from trees and parts of the Boeing 757, but nothing bigger than a couple of feet long, he said. Many of the items were burning."


    http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/93debris1.jpg
    flight 93 engine

    http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200065.html
    Flight 93 Data Recorder.

    http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200066.html
    Flight 93 Data Recorder.

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc08.pdf
    The Air Traffic Control recordings and accounts of flight 93.

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
    Flight 93 Data Recorder recording.


    http://americanhistory.si.edu/militaryhistory/collection/object.asp?ID=28
    Air Phone from Flight 93.

    http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200068.html
    Photograph of the driver's license of John Talignani found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.

    http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200069.html
    Photograph of the personal effects of CeeCee Lyles found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.

    http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00108.html
    Kingdom of Saudi Arabia passport for Saeed A A A Al Ghamdi recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site.

    http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00103-2.html
    Passport sized photo recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

    http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00109.html
    Business card of Assem Jarrah recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

    http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/images/1/13/P200061.jpg

    There were no “whole” bodies, but over 1500 body parts were found, and most of the passengers were identified through the use of DNA.

    "remains, like the aircraft wreckage itself, were scattered when the jet hit the ground at as much as 575 mph, then exploded in a fireball of fuel."

    http://screwloosechange.••••••••.com/2006/05/loose-screw-2-coroner.html
    earily body count. (.blog spot.) all one word.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010925sledzik0925p3.asp

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...node=&contentId=A56110-2002May8&notFound=true
    later body count. Remains from every victim were recovered and positively identified.

    Mr. Miller: "All that debris, and the fact that only 8 percent of the human remains could be recovered, mean the site is, essentially, a cemetery, Miller says. "The real story is about what those people did, deciding to rush the [terrorists] and sell everyone else on the idea," says Miller, who spent weeks crawling around on his hands and knees searching for remains and would rather talk about anything else. Where it landed is not what matters. The most important thing is that they be properly remembered."

    Please explain that you heartless motherfucker looking to be right for egotisical reasons. Your claim of no evidence at the crash site whats so ever is flase which makes you a lair.

    And if you are going to make mindless examples by comparing the crash site to the size of a PHONE BOOK. Then I'm going to have to actually show you that the hole in the ground was much bigger than the size of a PHONE BOOK.


    http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/flight93.jpg
    http://www.aetv.com/flight_93/images/photogallery/photogallery_flight93_14.jpg
    Some fire and smoke much bigger than a phone book.



    Is the latter question open for debate? lol!
    What is it with you and phone books? not rhetorical.

    Have you seen the Photograph of the personal effects of ceecee lyles found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.
    her ID survived in that crash just like the terrorist did.



    Did you just proscute people like me for treason? Wow. You will say anything won't you? The truth is you're lying, but as disrespectful as you are I wouldn't proscute you for treason. Kicking your ass, that's a whole other story. Which
    of course then you could charge me criminally on assult charges. It wouldn't even be worth it though. lol.

    Why was it shut down azeus? what was it shut down for?

    http://screwloosechange.••••••••.com/2006/05/ben-fountain-meet-scott-forbes.html

    .blog spot.




    As I already posted the controlled demolishion experts have said It would take 4 months to rig a building a fraction of the size, we aren't even talking one the size of the twin towers. much less 3 buildings the size of the WTC in a weekend? or several days? Bullshit.

    NOT several days. Did you mean several days or a weekend? It's impossible to be done with in either time frame. You're not even figuring in that someone outside the building would have seen something. Not to mention, these people return to work but don't spot a single squib? No bomb sniffing Dogs detected it? And lets not for get you have no proof of the det cords or thermite. You've been proven wrong on both those accounts. No evidence equals you're full shit trying to pull an illogical argument out your ass because you know you're wrong. Grasp for straws much?


    There was infact a insurance policy. However, the answer you're going to read isn't what you're looking for.

    http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/larrysilverstein:insuranceprofitmotive?

    Again, all these arguments could be avoided if you read the goddam links.
    It's just sad at this point.
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    Ahahaha Very laughable but true... Precise science which is practiced in the field would've given us the truth.. all I have to say is this.. where is it that the government Tested the metal in the wreckage.. where are those reports.. and why did they ship the wreckage away.. to another country we have plenty of steel processing plants.. is it because it could be radioactive, were UL scientist going to find chemicals they havent heard of before ?.. People this is a government that has fully functional "Active denial weapon" ( Pretty much a microwave weapon Thanks Tesla ) lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System.. This is very funny when an american would say that his government wouldnt take lives of citizens on purpose.. <--- Very ignorant statement.... if you know anything about.. History..

    " If you can socialize a lie and its accepted by society, its becomes truth"
    A man once said that from the time the average american goes to sleep and wakes up he's being bombarded with so many chemicals.. ex.. your deodorant to that bag of potatoe chips" So I guess our ancestors and forefathers were wrong and dumb.. for trying to live a more natural lifestyle ?.. But all this typing is just my opinion..
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  13. Yahunyahti

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    Menaz, you need to learn how to summarize. I'm not reading and replying to two full pages of other people's words. Pick the three most convincing links and give them to me and sum up your argument in one paragraph. I don't currently have the time to do this 10 page back and forth shit with you.
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    They spent $60,000 investigating 911. Do you know how much they spent investigating Clinton's sex scandal?

    They somehow knew that it was Osama within 4 minutes of the 2nd impact and were already talkin about war. That's the quickest investigation and response that I have ever heard of.
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    Without whose approval? Magic "black" figures behind the shadows, conveniently impossible to point out? What a coincidence....

    Obviously corporations remain as governments change, and they dictate a lot of US policy, but as I said before, you're never going to convince enough people that they were involved to actually do anything about it. Most [eople have way too much invested in this system to tear it down. How many people do you know who complain about how evil Wal Mart is, but shop there anyway?

    For ANYTHING productive to come from this discussion, things will have to get MUCH worse. IF the government was responsible for the attacks doesn't matter. People in this country live more comfortably than almost anywhere else in the world. The vast majority of them simply won't be willing to sacrafice social stability in the name of "truth", especially when the "truth" is so debatable anyway. (Say what you will about what "engineers" say about it...I go to any ivy league school and any time this issue gets brought up in an engineering lecture the questioner basically gets laughed out of the room).

    Depressing, yes, but also true.

    The head of pakistani intelligence wired $100,000 to a terrorist
    On 9-11 that head of intelligence was in DC
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    Therefore, the US government orchestrated the attacks.


    I think you need to work on the way logic works...
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  16. LiveFromThe781

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    Also keep in mind that while this may be a country in which the citizens live "comfortably" (which really depends on your economic background...living in a practical warzone isnt exactly comfortable") this is also a country that was founded on revolution and tailored to freedom.(Lets keep in mind the second ammendment was created for the sole purpose of overthrowing government) That same mentality of freedom and patriotism is alive today, unfortunately its just pointed in the wrong direction due to the gov's use of misinformation. So to say that people aren't willing to do anything strikes me as untrue.

    I think the dilema lies in presenting people with the actual truth and getting some type of mobilization and unity. I dont know exactly what its going to take to wake people up. Even if you don't agree with the 9/11 conspirators you can't deny that the government is taking more and more freedoms and functioning less and less like a true democracy...or even a respectable, innovative nation.
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  17. Yahunyahti

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    I'm not going to let this 911 shit rest. Just because there are lots of conspiracy theorists with all sorts of ridiculously goofy ideas (misinformation), that does not mean that the story that the government has given is legit. That does not mean that what we seen on television actually happened. There is countless evidence against the official story.

    There were explosions throughout the building and countless people have been testifying to that, including William Rodriguez who was praised by both Bush and Clinton as a hero.

    Here you see his REAL story . . .
    [youtube]DIC0Kl4TKoU[/youtube]


    And here he repeats the same story about the explosion in the basement and being pushed "upward" from it only to be cut off by the woman who alters his story and claims that it was the first plane hitting. But William's story says the explosion occurred PRIOR TO the first plane in the video above. The News is deliberately altering his account.
    [youtube]uQgEAEb4YKQ[/youtube]
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    You need to learn how to read properly.
    I did smmarize it, Hence why I only picked out experts quotes to make my points in my arguments. You also made alot of other claims that weren't true thats why there was two pages. The links were provided incase you wanted to read further on what I was talking about (I guess you don't). Like I said, You don't want truth you want demagoguery.

    William Rodriguez is a janitor not that there is anything wrong with that, but he is not qualified to speak on controlled demolishion. His logic doesn't even make sense azues. I have to only conclude he got confused. but Who wouldn't of? 9/11 was a awful day. Noone was thinking straight much less someone on the scene. Now, when a controlled demolishion takes place the blasts don't take forever. i'll now explain to you why he makes no sense. He claims the explosions happended at the basement level of the north tower seconds before a jetliner hit the top floors. However, The north tower was struck at 8:46 a.m and it callapsed at 10:28 a.m. which concludes the building stood for 102 mins though he says the explosions went off seconds before. There is no way in hell he heard explosions before the boeing 767 hit the north tower because a controlled demolishion will destory a building instantaneously the moment it's detonated not a 102 mins after the initial impact. So his claim that controlled demolishion explosions took place seconds before the initial impact is not only laughable it is illogical. Even the controlled demolishion experts won't agree with him.


    http://www.911myths.com/html/accounts_of_explosions.html
    http://www.debunking911.com/quotes.htm
    http://www.debunking911.com/explosions.htm


    If this guy was so important bush would have had him rubbed out according to your logic it wouldn't take but a phone call. You don't seem to get it azeus... the media nolonger matters that is why we have the internet. I do feel bad Rodriguez is homeless from time to time though.

    Why did no one report smelling explosive residue? Why has no nitrate or other explosive products been found on steel or in WTC dust samples? Also important to remember the elevators were all knocked out. And lets not for get you have no proof of the det cords or thermite. You've been proven wrong on all these accounts. No evidence equals you're full shit simplely trying to grasp on to anything at this point even though you know you're dead wrong.

    You're lying again.
    $3 Million was spent on investigating 9/11. Then the jersey girls whinned and then another 15 million was spent toward investigating 9/11. Your statment doesn't even matter here anyway. The only thing you are proving is that one investigation cost more than the other one which is not proof of a inside job. Newflash, your argument was not convincing.
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    He didn't speak on demolitions. He said that explosions were going off in the basement. I don't think being a Janitor disqualifies him from knowing where explosions are happening. It wasn't that confusing that you would think something is happening beneath you when it is really above you.


    What logic? He's not talking in a logical sense or an illogical sense. He's testifying to WHAT HAPPENED. What the fuck are you talkin about?


    About what? You want to conclude that. He didn't say anything about controlled demolitions. He said explosions were going off in the basement. You can't conclude shit, you weren't there. And he wasn't "just a janitor" . . . he was in charge of all of the Janitors in building two. Now, if you're the Janitor of a McDonalds, that's a small time job. But this is the WTC. Do you know what his education is? Do you know that Clinton and Bush tried to get him to participate in politics for the Latino votes? Do you know how much he knows? You don't know shit, Menaz, and I'm tired of talking to you. If I want to read your thoughts, I'll google them.
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  20. menaz

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    I read his testimony only I am thinking about what he is claiming. I don't have to be there to cross exame his testimony. Or point out the man flip-flops like John kerry. He does that to himself easy enough...

    "Rodriguez's main complaint is that his account has been ignored by official investigative bodies. Yet when he had the chance to go on the public record at a 2004 meeting held by chief investigators from NIST, he spoke about problems with keeping the stairwells clean, about some preexisting damage in the stairwells, and about the elevators not working properly "after the attack". At a public meeting, to the people charged with finding out why the towers collapsed, Rodriguez said nothing about his major claim: that he knows there were explosives in the north tower basement."

    However, Rodriguez did say this to NIST:

    "The fire, the ball of fire, for example, I was in the basement when the first plane hit the building. And at that moment, I thought it was an electrical generator that blew up at that moment. A person comes running into the office saying 'explosion, explosion, explosion.' When I look at this guy; has all his skin pulled off of his body. Hanging from the top of his fingertips like it was a glove. And I said, what happened? He said the elevators. What happened was the ball of fire went down with such a force down the elevator shaft on the 58th (50A) – freight elevator, the biggest freight elevator that we have in the North Tower, it went out with such a force that it broke the cables. It went down, I think seven flights. The person survived because he was pulled from the B3 level. But this person, being in front of the doors waiting for the elevator, practically got his skin vaporized." Read his entire statement here."


    Not only does he flipflop, but He also makes illogical claims as well. Anyone can claim they saw something. Alot of rednecks claim they've seen chupacabra. In other words, He needs evidence to prove his claim. He does not have any evidence for his claim. It's not a convincing story anyway because it contradicts the controlled demolition story. He never saw anything he only claims he FEELT an explosion. What he feelt was the north-tower being struck by a boeing 767.

    Survivor, Bill Forney recalls the instant that the 767 aircraft hit the North Tower one floor above where he was sitting. Bill Forney: "The building started shaking. It lurched back and forth. It was the first time that I had truly thought that I might die. After a terrifying six to ten movements back and forth it was over and it was done."


    Correct azeus, Explosions do not mean controlled demolision. And given the fact this man flip-flops like john kerry those socalled explosions he feelt were actually not only a boeing 767 but also "electrical systems shorting, transformers and switchgears blowing, generators failing, steam pipes bursting, flaming debris and steel beams falling down elevator shafts, etc."

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46408572574875
    transformer explosion.

    Rodriguez now follows the truth movement and does advocate the claim that 9/11 was a controlled demolishioned inside job. A learned person wouldn't claim this given his testimony you brought up and agree with yourself. This means not only are you both contradicting yourselves ignorantly in the pursuit of unbelievable fanatical passions, but also that no physical evidence of explosives proves to the contrary which makes you both ethier lairs or just really confused people.

    And Whether he was a Janitor to a McDonalds or to the WTC doesn't matter because the duties are still that of the custodial arts. Only thing this makes him is the master of the custodial arts. I can only conclude custodial arts doesn't involve a masters degree. Speaking of being a janitor shouldn't he have FOUND SQUIBS? DET CORDS? SMELLED NITRATE? One would inquire so.

    Lets also not forget he was in one building that day not two.
    The man is just confused. He's caught up in the game of money and politics as well.

    You're also correct when you said Rodriguez claimes bush and clinton wanted to use him in politics to obtain the latin vote. But That is his word against theirs. That's between them. He's also aligned himself to be utlized by the CT MOVEMENT in a similar manner. Well at least until the money didn't shill out.

    His real motive is for the money. Martin, is pratically homeless. His motive is money. His own words even say he is about making a profit of this...

    Infact, He is in a nasty fight with Dylan Avery (loosechange creator) over money. Infact, He wouldn't do the flim because he wouldn't personally receive any money. Infact, what we have here is one guy (Dylan) wanting to keep all the money to piss on what he believes to be the truth, and the other guy (Rodriguez) wanting to make a profit by whoring himself out to the highest bidder. These people are profiting off tragedy as well as doing it for egotistical movie career reasons. What's clear is the TRUTH doesn't matter when it comes to PAYMENT or FLIM CAREERS. However, What do I have to gain by lying to you? NOT A FUCKING THING.

    "Rodriguez then responds saying that it was not his fault, and that he would have appeared in Loose Change: The Final Cut, but Dylan would not share the money. Apparently Rodriguez was even trying to sell the testimony of other witnesses for money."

    "Rodriguez: In my case, I told them ( you ) that if this was going to be a movie release and not an internet effort, the rules of the "game" changes and that "I", "my organization" should be "compensated", "in exchange" I will "give you the rights to the testimony" and also unique exclusive videos of my 20 years working on the Towers."

    http://screwloosechange.••••••••.com/2007/09/troofer-wars-dylan-avery-vs-william.html

    (blog spot)

    You know if I was in Rodriguez's position. The last thing I would want is to negotiate for MONEY. I would be doing everything for free if my truth was that important. That's the difference between real motherfuckers and assholes like him looking to collect.
    test
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