b r a h's 100 fave films!

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  1. menaz

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    Number 1. I said "dramatized" realistic cop film. I guess, You've never had a encounter with a Street rules detective? You can't relate? well I can relate therefore I under stand why it is a good movie. Plus, The attention was on TWO SUBJECTS the whole movie, To exclude the performances is quite underminding and asinine in my opinion!

    Number 2. No I didn't even look at your avvy, I saw the movie.
    The fight sceens blew me away, Fighting on top of knives barefooted,
    Only the japanese could think of something that insane.

    Number 3. You need to watch Ichi the killer, asap.

    Number 4. You need to watch cool hand luke, asap.

    Number 5 & 6. Donnie brasco, is a great film. Johnny deep at his best besides fear and loathing in las vages, and Blow.

    Number 6. Cuckoo's nest, probably wouldn't have made mine either, I was just wondering if you considered it.


    The frech connection is a Exellect movie. Gene hackman at his best.
    and all round good plot.

    serpico is a good based on a true story movie, But than again almost anything Al Pacino does is GOAT

    What about...

    - Kings of new york?
    - Hard Boiled?
    - strangle land?
    - face off ?
    - Die hard?
    - Lord of war?
    - 8mm? ( did you have that on your list?)
    - con air?
    - kiss of death?
    - star wars 4,5,6?
    - deliverance? (did you have that on your list?)

    I still don't understand why casino isn't on there, I guess some people just can't get into some movies. Being Italian I guess I understand How narcotic us dagos can act.
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  2. SadistiK1

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    Wow Menaz, here it comes...


    "I guess, You've never had a encounter with a Street rules detective? You can't relate? well I can relate therefore I under stand why it is a good movie. "


    Theres no logic here at all... Ive never ran from a 100 foot gorilla, but I can still tell that King Kong is a good movie. Having similiar experiences does not make for a good movie.

    "Number 2. No I didn't even look at your avvy, I saw the movie.
    The fight sceens blew me away, Fighting on top of knives barefooted,
    Only the japanese could think of something that insane."

    Yea youre right.... Except Master of the Flying Guillotine is CHINESE.


    And 8mm was not good, but Con Air was fuckin terrible. Michael Bay is an inept filmmaker and seeing Nicholas Cage deliver terrible wooden lines like " You should have let go of the bunny" makes me cringe. To each his own tho. It kinda seems like youre just naming random movies youve seen and not taking into account what his list is for.
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  3. menaz

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    First of all, I claimed "I" could relate to TD therefore it was a good movie to "me".
    Of course you don't have to litterally relate to a movie to Understand it, But that doesn't mean you won't like it more if you can.

    In philosophy Logic has lot of different meanings. You should say my thoughts were unreasonable. Oh, by the way, King kong sucked, the graphics were horrid, and the plot was too long and boring. Explain what makes a Good movie a good movie? I don't see you saying shit accept critizing. I'm asking the thread starter why he didn't consider these movies for his list. I'm not hating on his opinion.
    You repugent tool. I'm questioning his choices, You know like CT's do the government. And Obviously a 100 foot compturized gorilla is a good movie to you.
    Why is that?





    They all look the same to me, And no that wasn't meant to be racist.


    Corny lines do not equal bad movies, but Each to his own, indeed.
    8mm was not good? Yeah ok, that answer makes it true.
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  4. Brahman

    Brahman Mel Van Peebles

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    menaz:

    (1) i saw the word dramatized. the french connection, bullitt, and serpico are all dramatized as well, but they're not over-dramatized. i don't know, training day seems artificial to me. i'm sure there are some key things that were touched on accurately, but there was also a lot of pointless showiness. i'm partial to older films as i feel most of them have better use of the camera (angles, movements, etc.) and music.

    (2) final duel between one-armed boxer and the guillotine master aside, master of the flying guillotine's fight scenes aren't even that good. the choreography is very amateurish as there aren't many skilled kung fu practioners performing it. sure there may have been unique and interesting set-ups, but the execution is often sloppy and laughable. that's part of the film's charm.

    (5) it may have been johnny depp at his best, but it wasn't filmmaking at its best, imo. filmmaking > johnny depp.

    - king of new york: i don't really like this film. it's good for the first 30-45 min. or so, but then quickly devolves into implausibility and flat-out ridiculousness. didn't even cross my mind once in making the list.
    - hard boiled: never seen
    - strangle land: never seen
    - face/off: it's been a long time since i first saw it, but i remember thinking it was awesome at the time... like top 10 all-time awesome. i didn't feel it was fair to include though, because i don't know how i'd view it today after acquiring what i feel to be better taste in films since then.
    - die hard: kind of a similar explanation for face/off. i need to revisit this one
    - lord of war: never seen
    - 8mm: a fun and entertaining watch, but naaahhh. didn't cross my mind once.
    - con air: horrible [funny][funny][funny]
    - kiss of death: never seen
    - star wars 4,5,6: been so long... a revisit is in order
    - deliverance: probably your best suggestion yet. this is a damn strong contender that slipped my mind.

    the problem wasn't me not "getting into" casino. i don't need to be italian to understand the characters' motivations and vibe with their actions. i got it! it's just that it's not one of martin scorsese's best efforts to me, and it's somewhat overlong and meandering.

    tone down on what i got wrong and overlooked, though. keep the suggestions coming, but let's mix in some positivity. what films on the list have you seen and liked?
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  5. SadistiK1

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    I actually liked the new King Kong but I was thinking of the original when I said that... I think you should check out Con Air again, maybe youll see it differently. I remember I saw it a long ass time ago and I actually remembered it being dope, then I saw it more recently and realized how horrible it is. I dunno, to each his own though. Have you seen Audition? Miike made that too (cuz you liked Ichi) and its amazing. Check it out.
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    hey, quit big timin cyrus the virus
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  7. menaz

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    No I have not seen that but I will. Ichi is a amazing movie.

    The black and white king kong version Just doesn't do it for me.
    Never been a fan of king kong.

    brahman, master of the flying guillotine was made in the 70's
    as i'm sure you're aware, but For what they used back then,
    to do what they did in that flim was amazing. the movie has
    charm and swagger.

    Wizard of oz < it's good when your 8, but then it just becomes a Fag emblem.
    sideways < mostly Boring, though Thomas Haden Church character carried the film.
    the proposition < Horrid.
    the poseidon adventure < Just too corny. I bust up laughing when that fat old lady thinks she can still swim. And at her death scene... HAHAHAHA!
    national lampoon’s vacation < I would have agreed with chrismas vacation.
    monty python and the holy grail < it's not even funny in a cornball sort of way.
    citizen kane < BORING!
    almost famous < HAHAHA! i'ma golden God, terrible!

    ^
    those were the main movies on your list I disagree with.


    what about, THE WARRIORS?
    what about, Lord of the flies?
    I also like Dark man?
    evil dead? < corny lines, But delivered correctly.
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  8. Brahman

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    menaz:

    i've never been much of one to go easy on a film for being "good, for back then", especially if i'm to compile a list of favorites. if we were analyzing works using different criteria other than "overall greatness" or "favorites", i would consider it. as it is, a lot of the fight scenes are simply weak and very poorly done. i've seen footage of the old first wong fei hung shows starring kwan tak hing back in the day, and they were horrible. very important for the evolution of the kung fu genre but still horrible.

    - wizard of oz - "fag" emblem? hmmm, odd. i guess being infused with genuine emotion and great, sympathetic performances could possibly give it that rep
    - the proposition - initially you said it "wasn't a crap film, just not very watchable meaning once was enough" why did you change your mind to calling it "horrid"? personal grudge from the drawn-out argument? and, no, it's not horrid. still remains a great work of art. sorry you missed that.
    - the poseidon adventure - wtf?!? @ you laughing at that... nothing wrong with the film. something wrong with you in that instance.
    - monty python and the holy grail - w... t... f? @ that opinion
    - almost famous - how does a line a drugged-up rocker make a movie itself "terrible"? if that's not all you're basing it on... hell, how does that even begin to contribute to it being "terrible" at all?



    - the warriors - you go from calling one movie "corny" to mentioning the warriors... rich! [funny]
    - lord of the flies - very good, but didn't get consideration (speaking of the 1990 version)... have you seen the 1963 version?
    - dark man - never seen
    - evil dead - never seen
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  9. Brahman

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    i bet if that "golden god" line were delivered by johnny depp, you'd be all over its dick
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  10. menaz

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    Why do you get mad? These are opinions on movies.


    - That is your opinion on MOTFG, But I saw the films importance which was it dared to be innovative.

    - Wizard of OZ, Is in fact considered a fag emblem. Alot of Gays like that movie. I'm not saying you're gay, But I am saying alot of gay people not only love Wizard of Oz, but have have also symbolized it into their culture. Judy was coked up during that whole movie plus over acting anyway. The movie is childish. You can even see mistakes left in like that guy in the forrest who hanged himself. To reiterate the acting was over the top, But I could imagine to an 8 year old it would seem like good acting performances.

    - the proposition, Yeah I did say that... Which is code for Horrid! It was a struggle trying to watch it just once. I was practically put to sleep by it. therefore, It wouldn't make my list.

    - Almost famous, So It's ok for you to say the lines in con-air are corny and that makes it a bad movie, but I can't say the same thing about this movie? please! And Besides the fact I hate any movie with kate hudson, This movie is nowhere near casnio, therefore I feelt it wouldn't even be on my list!


    - the poseidon adventure, Dude this is the most cornist movie ever made. Gene hackman is good in it to a degree, But he is so over the top it becomes comical to me. And that Old ladies death scene was so over the top it was comical. Please, A wrong frame of mind would be when Someone gets their face blown off and you bust out into hysterical laughter. I just feelt her death scene was so over the top bad it was comical to me. Though I like the movie, it wouldn't make my list.


    - monty python and the holy grail, This is not a funny movie it is crap to me. monty python has never been funny to me. therefore they wouldn't be on my list.

    the warriors was raw and had a realistic fight scene feel to it.
    The warriors is a classic gang movie.

    Karate kid is a classic.
    the outsiders is a classic.
    crossroads is a classic.
    And Death wish is also another classic.

    All those classics would be on my list.

    And No I have not seen the 1963 version, I saw the 1990 version. But the message in both are the same, Without ties to society people would become savages.
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  11. Konscious

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    menaz, you're being too hard on the wizard of oz... it was made during the '30s, so of course it's gonna have 'melodramatic acting' (not over-the-top)... and what does Judy Garland being intoxicated have anything to do with how well of a performance she gave? Many of the greatest albums of all time were created by musicians who were high on drugs. Many of the greatest books in literature were written by alcoholics and drug addicts. William Shakespeare is considered one of the greatest minds of all time next to Einstein and he was homosexual. Who cares if homosexuals adopted it into their culture? That doesn't change the quality of the movie. You continue to use incredible fallacies in your arguments.

    The Wizard of Oz is probably the MOST referenced piece of art in pop culture ever! That's amazing for a film to have that much influence so many years later. Your argument about it being 'childish' rings hollow, as well. Just because its target audience is children and those 'young at heart' makes it a horrible film? I can't believe your reasoning, dude... if you don't like it, say you don't like it... but you are absolutely the worst movie critic I've ever seen.
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  12. Brahman

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    menaz:

    mad? i'm not mad

    frustrated, maybe, but not mad. and, i'm not frustrated at your opinions. i'm frustrated at how you arrive at your opinions, because i think a lot of your reasoning and overall basis for film analysis is askew. your whole approach is just wrong to me.

    i'll come back later and touch on some of your points/comments, but the last one you made was very pointless. two movies having the same message means very little.
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  13. Brahman

    Brahman Mel Van Peebles

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    wow @ konscious's last five sentences being similar to what i said

    [funny]

    scary
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    His whole approach is wrong because he lacks perspective and knowledge of great cinema.

    He's more impressed by grand statements and visual styles than he is by substance and nuances.
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  15. Brahman

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    i said i would address menaz's points later, but i cannot... it's become far too tiring

    i'll only say that i said nothing about con air having "corny lines" as a basis for not liking it. sadistik was one who mentioned the terrible script. i said it was horrible and laughed at it.

    anyway, that is a horrendous comparison, menaz. horrendous. billy crudup's character was drugged and out of his mind when he said that line. any notion of it being corny would have to be attributed to the character's nature, not the script, because almost famous is a very, very well-written movie. i mean, you did reference denzel washington winning the best actor oscar as support for training day being a good movie, so why overlook the fact that cameron crowe's almost famous won an oscar for best original screenplay [dunno]?!? i don't even give much weight to the oscars any way as films are now being formulaically made to cater to them.

    *smacks hand on forehead*

    jesus, your reasoning is BAD!

    no way you can draw a parallel between that and a script that is charged with cheesy, recycled lines used for big budget action flicks that are attempted to be delivered with straight-faced seriousness.
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  16. menaz

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    True, But you already know I don't like black and white.
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  17. menaz

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    Exactly what are your credentials?

    What an argument from ignorance!

    And I lack perception? maybe you should stop prejudging who I am!
    Propostion had no substance, Ever thought maybe you aren't noticing
    others Nuances? It's because you don't want to. You what to feel like
    a big man over the internet.

    Get off brah dick!

    Think for yourself lacky!
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    That was the worst comparisons with a subjective overtone.
    You just tried to compare TD actor to AF screen play to subject me. Please!
    We are talking about a movie opinion not the iraq war.

    The scripted line is what the character had to read to bring to life. I didn't like the scripted line or how awful the character delivered it. (it doesn't matter in what context because it was cheesy to me like a drunk saying similar shit at a local pool party.) Therefore, The character flaw and script flaw make it one more reason for being a bad movie to me. Almost famous is not a well written movie to me. You can keep your pseudo intellectual movie opinion. If you like the Movie Good for you, But for me it would not make my list nor would I consider it. It was Not a bad movie it wasn't good enough to make my list.

    Almost famous won an oscar for screenplay.
    Denzel won oscar for best actor. Apples and oranges.

    it seems to me you have the CT out look on moives.


    We are talking cheesy script lines that were delivered cheesy.
    It Don't matter what type of movie. If the scripted lines are Cheesy
    and then delivered cheesy by the character, Then the scripted lines and the character vocalizing the scripted lines combinded makes it cheesier!
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    Straight list....here are the ones that would make my top 100



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  20. Brahman

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    menaz:

    context does matter. that's a fundamental in analyzing story and character, wtf? where is your head???

    the point of the line was to show that he wasn't really that deep of a person like the teens he was partying with who idolized him, or at least in that moment when he was mixed-up in the head and on drugs he wasn't... so, therefore, it had to be something cheesy and uneventful that he said when put on the spot.

    that doesn't mean the line or the script as a whole was cheesily written. it was soundly written to expose the character for what he was... no character flaws and no script flaws were indicated in that one line [funny]! you need to learn how to delineate

    why are you calling me a pseudo-intellectual" for liking this film? yes, i happen to like films that i find to be stimulating, but i would never call anybody out for being intellectually bankrupt for not liking them like i used to. i will make similar accusations, though, to those who apparently have poor film analytical skills. and, you are showing that in spades.

    it is a fantastically written movie and pointing out that it won the best screenplay award from the same committee that denzel's award came from is not apples and oranges. had i pointed out that it won the best screenplay award from BAFTA, the boston society of film critics, cairo int'l, chicago film critics, golden globes, london critics circle, and the WRITERS GUILD OF AMERICA, then it'd be more like apples and oranges.

    what is the "CT outlook on movies" anyway? i have my own personal outlook on movies, and i don't hold it for any sort of image... i like what i like and share it with others in hopes that they may find similar enjoyment. if they don't, so be it, but if they come at me with the b/s you do then i'll have to defend my position.
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