Authoritative muslim scholars condemn attacks

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  1. Thrilla-Ali

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    Only the uneducated, poor folks would ever support Osama Bin Laden and wahhabism as a whole. If one were to be adequately educated on Islam, he/she would never support Osama Bin Laden. For instance, there's people in the united states who support the stoning of 'rebellious teens' to death, some where in the 'dims' of Pennsylvania

    http://www.refuseandresist.org/resist_this/021899stoning.html

    Does that make christianity a 'extremist' religion now too?


    Your yet to show me evidence from the Qu'ran that islam promotes extremism. As for the laws of sharia [such as slavery], they were abolished in Islam like the mosaic laws of christianity. Now that you've been subjugated, stfu!
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    Thrilla-ali typed: I will list all of the organization of muslims condemning terrorism and then, you could do the job of finding me proof that all these organizations secretly fund terrorists [since your the one making the claims].

    List of prominent educated muslims condemning 9/11 Prove that they "secretly fund terrorists"

    Professor Asma Afsaruddin, of Notre Dame University
    Professor Vivienne Sm. Angeles, La Salle University
    Professor Ghazala Anwar of the University of Canterbury, New Zealand
    Professor Jonathan Brockopp, Director of the Religion Program at Bard College
    Professor Patrice C. Brodeur of Connecticut College
    Professor Arthur Buehler of Louisiana State University
    Professor Amila Buturovic of York University
    Professor Juan E. Campo of the University of California, Santa Barbara
    Professor Vincent J. Cornell of University of Arkansas
    Professor Frederick M. Denny Chair of Islamic Studies and the History of Religions, University of Colorado
    Professor Abdullahi Gallab of Hiram College
    Professor Behrooz Ghamari of Georgia State University
    Professor Alan Godlas of University of Georgia
    Professor Hugh Talat Halman, of University of Arkansas
    Professor Pieternella (Nelly) Harder Vandoorn,, of Valparaiso University
    Professor Marcia Hermansen of Loyola University, Chicago
    Professor Valerie J. Hoffman, of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
    Professor Qamar ul-Huda, of Boston College
    Professor Aaron Hughes of the University of Calgary
    Professor Amir Hussain of California State University, Northridge
    Professor John Iskander of Georgia State Univeristy
    Professor Ahmet Karamustafa of Washington University in St. Louis
    Professor Tazim Kassam of Syracuse University
    Professor Zayn Kassam of Pomona College
    Professor Ruqayya Khan of University of California at Santa Barbara
    Professor Kathryn Kueny, of Lawrence College
    Professor Jane Dammen McAuliffe, Dean of the College, Georgetown University
    Professor Richard C. Martin, Emory University
    Professor J.W. Morris, Chair of Islamic Studies at the University of Exeter
    Professor Gordon D. Newby, Executive Director, Institute for Comparative and International Studies at Emory University
    Professor James Pavlin of Rutgers University
    Professor Jack Renard of St. Louis University
    Professor Omid Safi of Colgate University
    Professor Walid Saleh of Middlebury College
    Professor Zeki Saritoprak of Berry College
    Professor Michael Sells, Haverford College
    Professor Laury Silvers-Alario of Holy Cross University
    Professor Alfons Teipen of Furman University


    Prove that these scholars in these articles "secretly fund terrorists"


    Islamic Statements Against Terrorism (tons of statements from islamic scholars)
    http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm

    Prove that these organizations fund terrorism.

    BBC NEWS - Islamic world deplores US losses
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1544955.stm

    Statement from scholars of the Islamic religion
    http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/sois.htm


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    Bin Laden's violence is a heresy against Islam
    By Tim Winter (aka Dr. Abdul Hakim Murad)
    http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/abdulhak.htm

    Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi Condemns Attacks Against Civilians: Forbidden in Islam
    http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2001-09/13/article25.shtml

    CANADIAN MUSLIM SCHOLARS REJECT "MISGUIDED" CALLS FOR JIHAD
    http://godlas.myweb.uga.edu/rejectjihad.html

    Thrilla-Ali also typed:

    I give you an open challenge, try to prove that the quran promotes terrorism, I tore you to shreds every time you "tried" to prove that the qu'ran does this. You only jump to your own conclusions, and what I do is, I list the correct beliefs according to most muslims, and most muslim scholars. You try to pull the wool over people's eye's and try to convey the text in accordance to your own agenda [the same way terrorists twist the teachings]. Terrorists use religion to support their agenda and win over "the crowd" They use religion as a tool, an excuse to harm, while the majority of muslims found world wide, never harm other people because "supposidly" the qu'ran told them so. Muslims who live in America come from the east [for the most part], and just because they reside in the west doesn't mean they don't still carry the same beliefs their parents or they, themselves, learned in the east [commenting on your "secular" muslim hypothesis]. Now, why aren't they THE MAJORITY of muslims in the east hurting or attacking any civilians then? Why do they condone the actions of terrorists? Every muslim in the world would be attacking non-muslims if the qu'ran truly promoted terrorism.. checkmate, buds

    *You say that "they are" yet there's 7.5 BILLION muslims in the united states living among the general populis, who are just as American as you.
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  3. Thrilla-Ali

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    MUSLIM CLERICS CONDEMN BIN LADEN
    Why Hasn't the Mass Media Been Telling Us About Condemnations of bin Laden by Muslim Clerics?

    January 29, 2002

    It's become a widely-accepted criticism in the United States that Muslims, including Islamic clerics and theologians, have not sufficiently condemned Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks.

    This "fact" has been used by certain talk show hosts to imply that something must be fundamentally wrong with the religion of Islam.

    I've wondered since the beginning of the War on Terrorism if there were really so few condemnations, or, if there actually have been plenty of condemnations, but they just haven't been reported.

    My first inkling that the mass media was inadequately covering the issue occurred when I saw representatives of Muslim student groups on the Bill Maher talk show "Politically Incorrect." After Maher asked them why they weren't out in the streets condemning bin Laden, they replied that they had been doing just that. But a large rally they had held to express just such a viewpoint was ignored by the mass media.

    I wasn't surprised, therefore, when the New York Times finally did just run a piece detailing the widespread condemnations of bin Laden among Muslims, including by even the otherwise most militant, anti-Western Islamic clerics.

    For example, one theologian in Qatar with a long history of anti-American militancy has used language similar to that of Mr. Bush and other American politicians.

    "Islam, the religion of tolerance, holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the attack on innocent human beings a grave sin" he said.

    "Even in times of war, Muslims are not allowed to kill anybody save the one who is engaged in face-to-face confrontation with them."

    "Killing hundreds of helpless civilians," he added, "is a heinous crime in Islam."

    Even the spiritual leader of Hezbollah "has been relentless in his condemnation of the attacks in America."


    Funny that it's only now, over four months after 9/11, that these condemnations are getting substantial coverage.

    Is the mass media's long delay in providing the American public with this information just laziness on their part? Could be.

    Or maybe the delay is deliberate. The purpose would be to first allow a certain impression to gel in the public mind -- the lack of widespread condemnation of the 9/11 attacks by Muslims and their religious leaders. After this belief takes hold, the media knows that later reports of condemnations taking place will not do much to alter public opinion on the issue.

    What would be purpose of fostering such an impression? How about to make it easier to demonize Muslims in the public mind, easier for the public to not be concerned about Muslim civilian casualties in our bombing campaigns.

    In other words, at the same time Bush and government officials publicly stress "we're not at war with the Muslim peoples of the world," the lack of reporting of Muslim condemnations of bin Laden, and the talk show harping on this fact, allow an acceptance of just such a war to develop in people's hearts and minds.

    In comments to this site, certain writers have actually expressed a total lack of concern for any Muslim civilians we kill for just such a reason, because these civilians didn't care about, or even supported, the September 11 attacks.

    This is all admittedly speculative, but such media manipulation wouldn't be inconsistent with present and past corporate media practice of skewing their news coverage to advance the goals of U.S. policymakers.


    This was a selection from The Daily Diatribe


    Spanish Muslims decry Al Qaeda
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0314/p06s01-woeu.html


    OSAMA BIN LADEN:
    AN ENEMY OF ISLAM

    http://www.glocaleye.org/binladen.htm

    A DAY OF TERROR: THE ARABS; Condemnations From Arab Governments, but Widely Different Attitudes on the Street
    http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstr...erence/Times Topics/People/B/Bin Laden, Osama

    Muslim clerics condemn bin Laden as 'apostate'
    http://washingtontimes.com/world/20050311-093601-3490r.htm

    Pakistan supports evidence against bin Laden
    http://www.abc.net.au/am/stories/s383326.htm

    Muslim leaders condemning terror to deaf?
    http://www.islamawareness.net/Terrorist/general1.html


    Wahhabi/salafi people are the radicals menaz, yet your willful blindness will never comprehend unless you choose to stop hating, stop being a hater, and a satinic lair. This thread is about how islam does not believe in extremism, and I am rebutting you with ample evidence to back my claims.
    I submitted 5 posts on this matter today, and as usual, i know you won't be able to refute.

    The islamic revolution of egypt was a wahhabi movement [which osama adhered to because of zakhari], and their beliefs are the total opposite of orthodox sunni Islam [sunna wal jama]

    You said you "pulled the card" on C.A.I.R. but what about the dozens of other organizations, and authoritative speakers of islam speaking on behalf of the muslim communities? What about the pictures I displayed of iranians and bengali's showing their remorse for the 9/11 victims? Yea that's right, choose to ignore the others, but focus-in on the complications of C.A.I.R. (one organization).

    *There's massive condemnation in the muslim world on extremism (which you disagreed to), I not only illustrated this, but also posted dozens of articles backing up my statement that muslims, indeed, condemn terrorism not only in America, but on a global scale. From spanish muslims to the government of Pakistan.


    Thrilla-ali types: Only the uneducated, poor folks would ever support Osama Bin Laden and wahhabism as a whole. If one were to be adequately educated on Islam, he/she would never support Osama Bin Laden. For instance, there's people in the united states who support the stoning of 'rebellious teens' to death, some where in the 'dims' of Pennsylvania

    http://www.refuseandresist.org/resist_this/021899stoning.html

    Does that make christianity a 'extremist' religion now too?


    Your yet to show me evidence from the Qu'ran that islam promotes extremism. As for the laws of sharia [such as slavery], they were abolished in Islam like the mosaic laws of christianity. Now that you've been subjugated, stfu!
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    vote= freedom of religion
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  5. menaz

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    Not done yet double, read the nail in the coffin here!
    VIVA LA REVOULTION LET FREEDOM FROM RELGION
    RING WITH BUCKSHOT!


    Brotherhood project part 2 & 3.


    The MB planted its roots in the United States with its 1963 [37] establishment of the Muslim Student Association (MSA).[38] Since then, it has used political developments, especially in the Middle East, to advance its strategic agenda and recruit more like-minded people to the cause of Islamizing the U.S., which, being non-Muslim, constitutes a part of the Dar al Harb - the “Land of Warfare.” [39] In other words, it “is a country belonging to infidels which has not been subdued by Islam.”



    This dogma, to which Muslims have adhered since at least the 9th Century, is based on the classical Islamic definition of non-Muslim territory. Egyptian MB spiritual leader Sayyed Qutb [40]expounded further on this ideology. Although he studied in the U.S. from 1948 to 1950 on a U.S.-funded scholarship, Qutb hated America and Western values. Upon his return to Egypt, he joined the MB and became its most influential ideologist and writer after MB founder Hassan al Banna. [41] The Egyptian government executed Qutb in 1966.



    Following Qutb’s vitriolic criticism of the U.S., the MB made the U.S. a target for sedition. In the U.S. (as elsewhere), the MB utilizes its “concealment” strategy through “Political Activism”[42] and exploits U.S. “weaknesses” (istid’af)[43] at opportune moments. The organization also helped to establish mosques, Islamic schools, summer youth camps and prominent Muslim organizations, often with Saudi funds. According to a 2004 Chicago Tribune [44] investigative report, the MB has been “a major factor...in why many Muslim institutions in the nation have become more conservative in recent decades.”



    Indeed, according to Lebanese-American Sufi leader Hisham Kabbani and Italian Muslim leader Sheik Abdul Hadi Palazzi, chief among the extremists controlling at least 80 percent of the more than 3,000 U.S. mosques is the Muslim Brotherhood, [45]or Ikhwan. According to the Tribune, the group even established a correspondence school called the Islamic American University (IAU), based in suburban Detroit, to train teachers and preachers. The IAU chairman and head of their board of trustees, according to MAS’ press release in May 2005, is well-known Brotherhood leader Yusuf Al Qaradawi an Egyptian graduate of Al-Azhar Theological Seminary [46] and the rumored MB international chief, who resides in Qatar and was banned from the U.S. in 1999. Sheikh Qaradawi proclaimed in 1995, "We will conquer Europe, we will conquer America, not by the sword but by our Dawa [proselytizing]."[47]



    MB Network’s “Flexibility” in the U.S.



    On its own website, the MB states its goals under the heading “Establishing the Islamic government.” The MB notes that: “Preparing the society is achieved through plans for: spreading the Islamic culture, the possible media means, mosques, and Da’awa [inviting others to Islam, an obligatory duty for Muslims], [48]work in public organizations such as syndicates, parliaments, student unions.” In stands to reason that the Brotherhood secretly cultivates new members at the mosques, madrassas and Islamic “Cultural Centers” it has helped to create, providing these recruits with moral and financial support.



    Today, the MSA advocates, in a Young Muslims of North America newsletter,[49] the collective obligations (fard) of all Muslims. “These include the spreading of the message of Islam (Da’awa), the establishment of the Islamic State (khilafah) and the defense of Muslim lands (jihad).” The Young Muslims of North America and the Alexandria, Virginia-based Muslim American Society (MAS) Youth Department note that these are required by the Shari’a and in “some of the Islamic Movement's texts on these subjects,” including “the key books of any of the following: [MB founder] Hasan al-Banna, [Pakistani MB role model] Abul A'la Mawdudi, [50] Ahmad ar-Rashid, Assam al-Bashir and [Al-Qaeda co-founder] Abdullah Azzam).”[51]



    Brotherhood members rarely announce their affiliation, since they are sworn to secrecy when they join. But operating under the seemingly benign name of the “Cultural Society” to avoid detection, the American Muslim Brotherhood also created organizations such as the Muslim Youth of North America (MYNA),[52] the North American Islamic Trust [53] (NAIT), the Islamic Medical Association [54] (IMA), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) [55], and The Muslim American Society [56] (MAS) according to the Tribune, the Washington Post, [57] and the MAS website. [58]
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    With help from the late MB member, Isma`il al-Faruqi, the group also established the International Institute of Islamic Thought [59] (IIIT) based in Herndon, Va., which publishes books and pamphlets resting on MB educational theory. This thesis is actually a plan advocating the Islamization of virtually all fields—from Economics [60] and Science and Technology [61] to The Islamization of Knowledge. [62] In Muslims and Islamization in North America: Problems and Prospects, [63] the group describes the hurdles it faces in its planned takeover of the U.S. and Canada. IIIT even envisions historical revisionism to erase non-Muslim scholarly documentation of the past and replace it with an Islamist perspective. The Treasury Department’s Operation Green Quest [64] investigation also identified methods by which IIIT may have funded suspected terrorists. Furthermore, on the 2004 Form 990 filed with the IRS, the IIIT reported that it sent $17,849 to Rahim Ghouse, an Australian/Malay business associate of Yassin al Qadi, an al-Qaeda financier and a U.S. designated terrorist. The family refused to answer any questions about these and other funds regularly received from the IIIT. Moreover, the IIIT directors plead the Fifth Amendment on page 26 of the Form 990.



    Other organizations that openly support the MB dogma include The American Muslim Council (AMC),[65] the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC),[66] the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)[67], Islamic Center of Southern California (ICSC),[68] Islamic Society of Orange County, (ISOC) and many others.



    Many of these groups deny connections to or influence from the Muslim Brotherhood, but all of them mouth the same ideological goals, most often with the exact same words that appear on the MB’s own websites. The MAS website, for example, describes itself as “a charitable, religious, social, cultural, and educational, not-for-profit organization” that seeks “an Islamic revival and reform movement that uplifts the individual, family, and society.” Moreover, the official MAS publication, the American Muslim, [69] posts on its website the biography and “appreciation” of MB founder Hasan al-Banna. The American Muslim noted in its first issue: “Created in Egypt in 1928, the Muslim Brotherhood became the first mass-based, overtly political movement to oppose the ascendancy of secular and Western ideas in the Middle East. The Brotherhood saw in these ideas the root of the decay of Islamic societies in the modern world, and advocated a return to Islam as a solution to the ills that had befallen Muslim societies.”



    Furthermore, former MAS Communications Director Ismail (Randall) Royer [70], who also worked for AMC and CAIR[71], pleaded guilty [72] to helping other Muslims reach a Pakistani training camp run by Lashkar-e-Taiba, a designated foreign terrorist organization and a MB offshoot.



    The AMC, established in 1990, similarly advertises itself [73] as a “movement for political and civil rights” and “justice for all Americans.” The group also wants to increase “effective participation of American Muslims in the U.S. political and public policy arenas,”—but only to promote the ultimate MB goal of establishing an Islamic state. Former AMC founder and director Abdurrahman Alamoudi, [74] now imprisoned for 23 years [75] for his role in a 2003 Libyan plot to assassinate Saudi (then Crown Prince) King Abdullah, demonstrated in January 2001 [76] just how strongly he and his group felt about U.S. democracy when he served as the AMC delegate to a terrorists' “Jerusalem” Conference in Beirut, where he (and at least four other American Muslims) met with leaders from Al Qaeda, HAMAS, Hizballah and Islamic Jihad [77] as well as such state sponsors of terror as Syria, Sudan and Iran. The conference drew up a statement advocating “Jihad (holy war) in all its forms.” It also stated: “America today is a second Israel." Indeed, these Islamist terrorists have for years advertised that the war against Israel and the war on America are one and the same. In January 2001,[78] when these terrorist chieftains met at the Beirut conference[79], they issued a communiqué saying: "Destroy Israel ... Boycott America." It also called for "Jihad in all its forms and resistance" against Israel and urged a boycott of American goods, since "American products are exactly like the Israeli products." [80]
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    Despite all this, the AMC has had considerable access to U.S. leadership, thereby lending the group a facade of legitimacy. In 1991 and 1992, respectively, Imam Siraj Wahhaj [81] and Imam Warith D. Mohammed, made the first Islamic invocations at the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate, according to the AMC website. Alamoudi’s visits to both the Bill Clinton [82] and George W. Bush [83] White House received wide media coverage.



    The Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia., is the major MB mosque for the Washington DC area. Its former chief cleric, Anwar Aulaqi, called [84] on the faithful “to become 'shaheeds,'' or martyrs, and ''die in the sake of Allah.” The U.S.-born Aulaqi was educated in Yemen, and according to the 9/11 Commission report [85], he met on several occasions with two of the 9/11 attackers in San Diego.



    MPAC openly supports MB progeny in its obituary for HAMAS founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin,[86] whom Israel eliminated in March 2004. The article, still posted on the MPAC website, bemoans the loss of this terrorist leader, who is described as a harmless invalid. Furthermore, as Steven Emerson reported in American Jihad, the MPAC cosponsored an October 28, 2000 rally in Washington DC to support the “Al-Aqsa intifada.” While AMC leader Alamoudi exhorted the crowd to cheer for HAMAS and Hizballah, MPAC political adviser Mahdi Bray “was seen jubilantly exclaiming his support for these two deadly terrorist organizations.” MPAC senior adviser Dr. Maher Hathout, who also participated, later heralded the rally in an American Muslim article “as a marker of a 'new era.” And in a 2003 position paper concerning counter-terrorism, the MPAC questioned [87] whether “alleged terror plots, such as those in Seattle, Buffalo, Portland, and Detroit, actually posed threats as serious as the government initially claimed them to be.” In two of those cases, the suspects had gone to Afghanistan to join the Taliban and train in their terrorist camps.
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    MB Infiltration into U.S. Academia



    Even a random examination of political positions on U.S. university campuses reveals the very same ideology dominated by anti-American attitudes, often directed by MSA chapters or Middle East Centers and departments.



    In February 2004, at an MSA West [88] conference at the University of California (Berkeley), Amir Abdel Malik Ali, the Oakland mosque imam, called for the establishment of an Islamic dictatorship [89] in the U.S., which would eliminate the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence.



    On September 7, 2005, Carnegie Endowment [90] for International Peace awarded Mustafa Khalfi a three-month fellowship, as part of his yearlong Fulbright/American Political Science Association Congressional fellowship. He is now in Washington DC, where he is “studying U.S. policy in the Middle East, with a focus on democracy promotion efforts.” Khalfi is the editor-in-chief of the Moroccan Islamist newspaper, at-Tajdid, [91] which in addition to printing pro-Islamist terrorist propaganda and anti-American articles, is raising money for HAMAS, and many other outlawed Islamist organizations, most of which are also offshoots of the MB, and are united under the umbrella organization “The Union of Good,”[92] which is represented by the London based Islamist organization Interpal. At-Tajdid, until February 2006, had a link directing its readers to the donation page of Interpal, which the U.S. Treasury department had identified in 2003 [93] as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist for supporting HAMAS.



    Yet Khalfi was not the first Islamist with an avowedly anti-western agenda to study at Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). Earlier, in March 2005, SAIS appointed Anwar Ibrahim, Malaysia’s former deputy prime minister, as a visiting scholar at its Foreign Policy Institute. Ibrahim co-founded the Herndon, Virginia-based International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), which according to the Washington Post, “was set up in the 1980s largely by onetime Brotherhood sympathizers with money from wealthy Saudis.” [94]



    Ibrahim also strongly supports al-Qaradawi’s pro-Jihad doctrines. SAIS, however, recently lost Ibrahim to the newly renamed Prince Alwaleed bin Talal [95] Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, at Georgetown University, where he lectures “on several topics. [96]“ It is ironic that this trustee of the World Association of Muslim Youth, which supports HAMAS and has been implicated [97] in funding al Qaeda and other Islamist organizations, has been assigned to teach Georgetown students “modernity in Islam, [and] interfaith understanding.” [98]


    There are literally hundreds of similar examples of “Islamist thought at work” on U.S. campuses.
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    PART 3.

    For its part, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has been repeatedly linked to the MB-spawned HAMAS. According to investigative reporter Joe Kaufman[99] and counterterrorism expert Matthew Epstein[100], CAIR was founded in 1994 by former Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP) officials Omar Ahmad[101] and Nihad Awad[102]. The IAP is "a front organization for HAMAS,"[103] says former FBI counterterrorism chief Oliver "Buck" Revell. In 2004, a federal court found the IAP jointly liable (with an alleged HAMAS fund raiser and the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development) for $156 million in damages [104] for helping HAMAS to murder a 17-year-old U.S. citizen in the West Bank. After 9/11, CAIR was caught [105] raising funds for two HAMAS-linked fund raising “charities,” the Holy Land Foundation (HLF)[106] and the Global Relief Foundation.[107] In 2003, CAIR also received funds from the Brotherhood-linked IIIT, according to Daniel Pipes.[108]

    CAIR’s former communications director and civil-rights coordinator was sentenced to twenty years in prison, on April 9, 2004, for “using and discharging a firearm during a crime of violence, and carrying an explosive during the commission of a felony,”[109] and attempting to join Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistani offshoot of the MB and an al Qaeda- linked organization. In addition, he pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting three Jihadists to obtain training in a terrorist camp in Pakistan in order to fight American troops in Afghanistan. All of Royer’s activities occurred while working for CAIR.



    Bassam Khafagi who was a founding member and President of the Islamic Assembly of North America (IANA) was also community affairs director for CAIR when arrested in 2003, for founding and funding the Ypsilanti-based Islamic Assembly of North America, which the FBI suspected of financing terrorism. [110] According to a September 2003 testimony before the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology, and Homeland Security, Khafagi headed IANA during the time senior al-Qaeda recruiter Abdelrahman Al-Dosari spoke at IANA’s 1993, 1994 and 1995 conferences.[111]



    Finally, according to the Justice Department, Ghassan Elashi [112], who founded the Texas Chapter of CAIR and served as chairman of the Holy Land Foundation, a specially designated terrorist organization, was convicted [113] in April 2005, of knowingly dealing with HAMAS leader and designated terrorist Mousa Abu Marzook.



    In light of the fact that many senior officials in the above mentioned organizations have been convicted for a variety of terrorists’ related offenses, one would expect that the organizations would be held responsible as well.



    Several key CAIR affiliates have also made comments mimicking MB ideology. CAIR board member [114] Ihsan Bagby stated [115] in the late 1980s that Muslims "can never be full citizens of [the U.S.]... because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country." CAIR spokesman [116] Ibrahim Hooper told the Minneapolis Star Tribune on April 4, 1993: "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future." And CAIR chairman Omar Ahmad [117], said in July 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."



    MB Success in Europe as a Model for the U.S.



    While pursuing its goals in the U.S., the MB has conducted the same subversive program in Europe. In “The Muslim Brotherhood's Conquest of Europe,” in the Winter 2005, issue of Middle East Quarterly, researcher Lorenzo Vidino [118] documented:


    "Since the early 1960s, Muslim Brotherhood members and sympathizers have moved to Europe and slowly but steadily established a wide and well-organized network of mosques, charities, and Islamic organizations. [Its] ultimate goal [is] to extend Islamic law throughout Europe and the United States. [119]



    "Four decades of teaching and cultivation have paid off. The student refugees who migrated from the Middle East forty years ago and their descendants now lead organizations that represent the local Muslim communities in their engagement with Europe's political elite. Funded by generous contributors from the Persian Gulf, they preside over a centralized network that spans nearly every European country.



    "These organizations represent themselves as mainstream, even as they continue to embrace the Brotherhood's radical views and maintain links to terrorists. With moderate rhetoric and well-spoken German, Dutch, and French, they have gained acceptance among European governments and media alike. Politicians across the political spectrum rush to engage them whenever an issue involving Muslims arises or, more parochially, when they seek the vote of the burgeoning Muslim community.



    "When speaking Arabic or Turkish before their fellows Muslims, however, they drop their facade and embrace radicalism. While their representatives speak about interfaith dialogue and integration on television, their mosques preach hate and warn worshippers about the evils of Western society. While they publicly condemn the murder of commuters in Madrid and school children in Russia, they continue to raise money for HAMAS and other terrorist organizations. Europeans, eager to create a dialogue with their increasingly disaffected Muslim minority, overlook this duplicity. The case is particularly visible in Germany, which retains a place of key importance in Europe, not only because of its location at the heart of Europe, but also because it played host to the first major wave of Muslim Brotherhood immigrants [to Europe] and is host to the best-organized Brotherhood presence…. "


    Munich’s Islamic Center

    "The Ministry of Interior of Nordrhein-Westfalen states that the Islamic Center of Munich has been one of the European headquarters for the Brotherhood since its foundation. [120]The center publishes a magazine, Al-Islam, whose efforts (according to an Italian intelligence dossier), [121] are financed by the Bank al-Taqwa. According to the interior minister of Baden-Württemberg, Al-Islam shows explicitly how the German Brothers reject the concept of a secular state.[122] Its February 2002 issue, for example, states,



    "'In the long run, Muslims cannot be satisfied with the acceptance of German family, estate, and trial law. … Muslims should aim at an agreement between the Muslims and the German state with the goal of a separate jurisdiction for Muslims….. With ample Saudi financing, the Muslim Brotherhood has managed to become the voice of the Muslims in Germany.'
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    menaz Avant Garde

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    "In parallel to European Union integration efforts, the Muslim Brotherhood is also seeking to integrate its various European proxies. Over the past fifteen years, the Muslim Brotherhood has created a series of pan-European organizations such as the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Europe, in which representatives from national organizations can meet and plan initiatives. [123] Perhaps the Muslim Brotherhood's greatest pan-European impact has, as with the Islamische Gemeinschaft Deutschland, been with its youth organization. In June 1996, Muslim youth organizations from Sweden, France, and England joined forces with the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Europe and the World Assembly of Muslim Youth to create a European Islamic youth organization. [124] Three months later, thirty-five delegates from eleven countries met in Leicester and formally launched the Forum of European Muslim Youth and Student Organizations (FEMYSO), which maintains its headquarters in Brussels. [125]



    "According to its official publications, FEMYSO is "a network of 42 national and international organizations bringing together youth from over 26 different countries." FEMYSO proudly stated in 2003 that over the preceding four years it had become the de facto voice of the Muslim youth in Europe. It is regularly consulted on issues pertaining to Muslims in Europe. It has also developed useful links with: the European Parliament, the Council of Europe, the United Nations, the European Youth Forum, and numerous relevant NGOs at the European level." [126]

    MB Globalization



    Aside from working through proxies noted above, the MB uses various global communications outlets to spread its ideology. Their website, “Muslim Brotherhood Movement Page (Hizb Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimoon),” boasts that it has established branches in “over 70 countries all over the world,” including: Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Tunisia, Sudan, Indonesia, the Philippines, Britain, Switzerland, Lebanon, Pakistan, Morocco, France, India, Jordan, Nigeria, Bangladesh.



    Wherever the MB operates, its program calls for active subversion and proselytizing. In the U.S., its message is heralded through many additional websites carried by American Internet hosts. For example, ummah.net [127] carries Sheikh Al Qaradawi’s fatwa for boycotting Israeli and U.S. products. In the name of 'resistance,' Qaradawi has issued fatwas calling for the systematic killing of American servicemen in Iraq. The website Jannah.org, hosted by ENoor Creations, [128] in Lombard, Il., also carries Qaradawi’s book: The Status Of Women In Islam, in which he recommends, among other domineering practices, how to beat your wife - “lightly.” Qaradawi,[129] who publicly supports suicide bombing, and was the first to issue a fatwa allowing female bombers, also heads the London-based International Union [130] for Muslim Scholars, which on January 21, 2006, threatened to boycott Norwegian and Danish products due to the publication of caricatures of Mohammed. Qaradawi is also a member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research.[131]



    On August 23, 2004, [132] the London Arabic newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi published an MB ad calling on all Muslims to resist the U.S. Coalition’s occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan. The ad denounced the “the savage and destructive attacks of occupation, lead by the United States on Islam in general, and on Iraq especially... Spreading death, destruction and fear among its people in all its cities and villages.” The ad went on to say that “In view of these savage crimes implemented in Iraq and Palestine by the Ziono-American pact not only against the Arabs and Islam but also against humanity in general, these events are also forthcoming in Darfur Sudan.”



    For this reason, Yusuf al Qaradawi in Qatar, Leader–General of the Muslim Brotherhood League, the Egyptian, Muhammad Mahdi Akef—and ninety one other leaders of MB from countries such as Germany, India, Morocco, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the U.K., South Africa, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Tajikistan, Yemen and others—signed a petition calling “upon our Islamic and Arab nations along with all the religious authorities and the liberation powers, wherever they maybe: to resist the occupation and its savage crimes in Iraq and Palestine; to offer our moral and material support to the honorable resistance, its prisoners and their families; to be patient, strong and steadfast until Allah is victorious and the land of Islam cleansed from the filth of occupation. And this is drawing near by the grace of Allah.”



    MB Utilizing Democracy in the Middle East
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    menaz Avant Garde

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    The recent electoral victory of the outlawed Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB), which won 88[133] seats, up from 15 in the 454-member Parliament, should not be celebrated as an indication of liberalization, democracy and freedom. Neither should the 80 seats [134] of the 132-seat Palestinian parliament won by HAMAS ("The Islamic Resistance Movement")[135] - the MB’s Palestinian branch [136]. Both the MB and HAMAS are exploiting the U.S. call for democratization in the Middle East, using free elections to gain legitimate political power. Indeed, neither [137] organization has changed its charter; both [138] seek to create a global Islamic state, where life would be dictated by the Shari’a. In December 2005 [139], in a series of statements, MB leader Mahdi Akef [140], not only denied the Holocaust [141] and called for the demise of Israel (a "cancer") from the Middle East, but also condemned the U.S. for forcing its will "with tanks and Hummer vehicles on the Iraqi people.” And like his Palestinian constituency the HAMAS, he reiterated: “we will not recognize Israel which is an alien entity in the region. And we expect the demise of this cancer soon..."



    Although Article Two of the 1988 HAMAS Covenant reads: "The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine," [142] until recently, HAMAS portrayed itself as a nationalist organization, especially in the West. Yet, its Charter has always announced its global agenda. In pursuit of that goal, HAMAS publishes its website in many languages including, English, Urdu, Farsi, Malay, Bahasha Indonesia, French and Russian.[143] A HAMAS website for children even calls for the “return” to Islam of Seville.[144]
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    To Mousa Abu Marzuk, Deputy Chief of HAMAS’ Political Bureau in Damascus, HAMAS’ triumph is an important springboard towards the establishment of the Caliphate. In a January 26 statement, following HAMAS’ victory in the Palestinian legislative elections, Abu Marzuk said that HAMAS, the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, is reaping the fruits of its efforts over the last six decades.[145] HAMAS was established in Palestine in 1936 (not in 1987, as many mistakenly think.)[146] Since then, the movement has carried out its political and social agenda, including Da’awa (“Prosetylization”) and Jihad.



    Support of the Muslim/Arab World to the MB



    A United Arab Emirates government-operated “charitable” organization (whose board includes the UAE president), Human Appeal International (HAI),[147] funds HAMAS and its “martyrs,” HAMAS terrorists in Israeli prisons and their families. The HAI’s modus operandi is to transfer money to the Palestinian Red Crescent Organization whose West Bank and Gaza branches are operated by HAMAS. They, in turn, distribute the money to HAMAS “charities.”



    According to a detailed report on March 25, 2005, in the Palestinian daily Al Hayat al-Jadeeda, the UAE Friends Society transferred $475,000, through the UAE Red Crescent, to West Bank “charitable” organizations in Hebron, Jenin, Nablus and Tulkarem to distribute to the families of “martyrs,” orphans, imprisoned Palestinians and others.



    The Palestinian newspaper Al-Ayyam [148] reported on March 22, 2005, that in 2004 the UAE Red Crescent donated $2 million to HAMAS “charities” to be distributed to 3,158 terrorists’ orphans.
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    On February 15, 2005, the HAMAS website [149] reported on funds transferred from HAI to two HAMAS front organizations in the West Bank, IQRA and Rifdah, which Israel had outlawed. And last July, Osama Zaki Muhammad Bashiti [150] of Khan Younis in Gaza was arrested as he returned from the UAE, for transferring funds of as much as $200,000 at a time to the Gaza HAMAS branch. The suicide bombing and attacks, including one mortar attack on Gush Katif, caused the death of 44 Israeli civilians [151] and dozens of injuries.



    The UAE support of HAMAS is in line with the agenda promoted by the late Sheikh Zayed. His Zayed Center for International Coordination and Followup [152], founded in 1999 as the official Arab League think-tank, was shuttered under international pressure in 2003. It championed such Holocaust deniers as Thierry Meyssan and Roger Garaudy [153] and provided a platform for Muslim Brotherhood-inspired ideology, and anti-Western, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish extremists such as Saudi economist Dr. Yussuf Abdallah Al Zamel, who blamed the war in Iraq on "radical Zionist and right-wing Christian" influence. Like HAMAS, and its parent organization, the MB, the Zayed Center also promoted the many versions of Jihad.
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  14. double ML

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    detective menaz is on the case!


    and i would gladly fight to the death to prevent the united states from ever havin' an islamic gov't
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    Osama Bin Laden is more of a Muslim than any of the Clerics.
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    ^^terrorist sympathizer[nonono]
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  17. Leila Night

    Leila Night efrain,you're my one&only

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    Because you would know... [look]


    What's with Menaz's spamming of this thread? No one's going to read that crap.
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    Thrilla-Ali Dapper Don

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    Exactly, all he does is copy and paste articles based on cair when i gave him numerous organizations and academic speakers condemning terrorism.

    He keeps mentioning the muslim brother hood, but they follow QUTBISM, which believes in offensive wars instead of the traditional defensive.

    The guys a moron, he didn't even read my posts, which refuted all his claims
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  19. Yahunyahti

    Yahunyahti New Member

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    You should read the thread that I made to Thrilla. I am in no way a sympathizer of terrorists. Saying that Osama is a Muslim is not sympathizing with Osama. It is condemning Islam. Islam teaches that it is alright to kill those who leave the religion. It is not only alright to kill those who leave Islam, it is commanded by Mohammed in the Hadith. Osama IS a Muslim. He is a REAL Muslim. Moderate Muslims do not follow TRUE Islam and should abandon it entirely and turn to REAL prophets such as Yeshua, Buddha and Lao Tzu.

    But thanks for the negative reputation.


    Leila Night
    You're right, this is probably just a translation error . . . (Or is this Hadith not valid? Clerics don't seem to think so.)

    "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Bukhari, vol. 9, book 88, no. 6922

    What about this one?

    "I have been ordered by Allah to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah."

    Translation error also?



    Thrilla
    Leila was referring to me, not Menaz. I copy and paste nothing.
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  20. menaz

    menaz Avant Garde

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    This is the problem with you. You're a Lair to the core.
    I know what you are. And those who are for truth know
    what you are. I spam threads? All you do is copy and paste.
    You never debate anyone, All you do is copy and paste. All
    I did was give you a taste of your own Medicine. Nothing
    with you makes since or stays on subject. NOTHING! It's impossible to be rational with irrational people such as yourself.

    Muslim brother hood Is about taking out all other governments
    By utilizing Propaganda, Phoney orginizations, and provacating Jihad so they can institute in it's place Sharia law.
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