props on the dostoyevsky reference, but everything you just wrote misses the point entirely. communism is atheistic, but communism is not atheism. i am an atheist, but i am not a communist. i believe in no such utopia. i never said it was impossible to kill in the name of godlessness. i even listed a specific hypothetical example of what that might look like. i simply listed the reasons why i think your examples do not fit this description. you say 'whatever their motives' as if to dismiss these other reasons for the killings, yet intent means everything when examining the nature of a crime. also, the assertion that we're trying to displace god is simply untrue. you might say we're trying to displace the church. god, for whatever he might or might not be, doesn't really enter the equation in everyday human affairs. you can say you know god's will but that does not make it so.