Anybody else impressed by Rousimar Palhares?

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  1. ANDtheMC

    ANDtheMC New Member

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    Yes, I know a lotta ya'll are gonna say he gassed and he didn't submit an over the hill fighter but he still looked very impressive to me.

    Regardless, Jeremy Horn is a veteran and seen almost everything. Seemed like his sub defense was pretty on point. Palhares almost got 'em in a dozen different subs, used some nice sweeps, slams, and more. Plus, he fought with a broken hand. What ya'll think?
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  2. jayoo

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    i thought palhares was great, i was expecting a finish but regardless he ran that fight

    and coleman looked like the old man he is in my opinion..
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  3. Ben Official

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    i love palhares. he looked really impressive in the first round and part of the 2nd. he didn't look good after that. maybe it was because of his hand or the fact he gassed, but he didn't finish an incredibly rusty horn and that was pretty disappointing.
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  4. ANDtheMC

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    @ the end of the fight, he said he broke his hand. So if that's the case, it would make it much harder to get a submission based on the fact he can't get wrist control, or hold onto a limb. I still excpected a finish but eh.... fuck it... He was still sick wit it. He did look like he gassed @ the end of the fight tho'. He uses so much energy on them slams tho'.
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  5. thaRooster

    thaRooster hahahahahhaha NO!

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    he's impressed the hell outta me so far. taking hendo the distance and compeltely dominating a veteran like horn
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  6. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    i dont think hes a total package though



    im not syaing he sucks, but find someone who can match his power/ground skills who has excellent stand up, and i think hed lose.
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  7. ANDtheMC

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    Damien Maia might be the only fighter in the UFC that could match his ground skills. U do know he's considered thee best submission specialist by many, right?
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  8. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    ...doesnt change the fact Palhares's stand up isnt that impressive
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  9. ANDtheMC

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    when ur jiu jitsu is that good... sometimes u don't have to have great stand up
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  10. Ben Official

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    you always have to... because someone will expose your weakness sooner or later. this isnt 1993 anymore. you can't be a one trick pony and still be successful in the ufc like the old days.
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  11. ANDtheMC

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    Against Elite guys yes but when u're jiu-jitsu is THAT GOOD and ur takedowns are that good, u can do very well... How has Damien Maia been winning? His stand up isn't amazing. Brock Lesnar's been winning without great stand up. Mir won for a good while w/out great stand up. Ur much better off with great ground fighting and ok stand up than the other way around IMO.
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  12. true.. u can almost always take it to the ground unless the guy your fighting is stud @ takedown defense..
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  13. Ben Official

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    yep, i agree there. but if you are truly a one trick pony then sooner or later chances are your weakness will be exposed. whether the weakness is bad stand up and you finally face an opponent with great take down defense and great striking, or your a great striker and you finally face a great grappler guy can take you down, the weakness will eventually get exposed

    demian's standup has been greatly improving, hes been training with wanderlei, his stand up is not bad at all and keeps getting better. hes becoming a more complete fighter every time he steps in the octagon. i love demian.

    i agree that being good on the ground and good at take downs is better than just being a good striker but thats the age old grappler vs striker debate.
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  14. Of course the bjj guy would agree.. lol..
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  15. ANDtheMC

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    hahaha.... yup

    Great jiu-jitsu beats great striking. I STILL WANNA SEE MAIA OR PALHARES VS ANDERSON.
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    ^I might agree with that, but great striking with decent grappling usually beats great grappling with decent striking. Anderson would fall into the former, while Maia and Palhares might fall into the latter. Both of them need a little more boxing practice at least before going against an anderson silva imo.

    but yeah, I like Paul Harris. Horn did a good job of not getting submitted, but that was it. I'm worried about Pal a little now though because broken hands usually reoccur.
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  17. ANDtheMC

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    He's not going to have to worry about strike as much. And trust me... When u have guys of that caliber as far as jiu-jitsu, then can take a hit, clinch, and pull guard. Both are EXTREMELY capable of pulling sweeps and grabbing a limb and subbing.

    I disagree w/ the great striker w/ decent ground game beats the great ground game w/ decent striking. I'll give u great striker w/ great takedown defense can beat great ground guys tho'. But not even always.

    I think these two are the top of the food chain when it comes to jits. So we'll see but I think these guys can take out Silva. Especially being his takedown defense is suspect. I DARE HIM to allow Palhares to pull off a big slam on 'em 'n fight 'em on the ground. Even Maia. He'll find 'em self tapping and handing over the belt.
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  18. Ben Official

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    no way is palhares beating silva right now. maia has a bigger chance but as much as i love him i still think he needs a bit more time.

    as far as striker vs grappler, this has been debated a million times in the last 15 years, it really depends on the fighter more than the style.
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  19. ANDtheMC

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    I think Palhares could. I think Anderson's jiu-jitsu is overrated. It's solid. Yes, Palhares can get Anderson to the ground. One of Silva's biggest weaknesses is takedown defense. Palhares has much better takedowns than Maia and is much stronger. He's also much more explossive into the subs.

    I think Palhares would have a harder time vs. Rich Franklin than Silva. Again, not saying Franklin's better but it's a strength vs. weakness thing. If Palhares or Maia get Anderson Silva to the ground, I think it would be a wrap.
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  20. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    I think palhares is good, i like him, hes a fuckin abnormal animal with huge shoulders and arms....

    but his weakness is his standup. Hes too big too have any real striking speed for one prime example. This means he is not a FULLY rounded fighter. Fact. One of the major aspects to MMA is striking. He lacts it.

    So when someone comes along who can avoid the takedown, whether it be by skill or strength, and has power and is an excellent striker, palhares will have a hard time and probably lose.
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