Any Christians up to the challenge of debunking my lame, yet crafty argument?

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  1. M-theory

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    It's my fucking thread you moron, the original topic was what I posted and it had nothing to do with Satan, Adam, or original sin.
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  2. TheBigPayback

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    ok. My bad well ur right thats where it ended up. But in terms of the origin. Arguement the bible says BEFORE you were in your mothers womb i knew you. I called your name and set you apart and put a calling on your life. So everyone was ceated but not everyone IS called.
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  3. miscreant

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    some of yall half right

    INITIALLY we were born free of sin.

    adam & eve were virtually living in heaven. they could communicate with God. didn't have to work, everything was provided, life was heaven.

    satan managed to infiltrate the Garden of Eden. planted the seed in eve's head, she planted it in adam's and they did the one thing God asked them not to do.

    this resulted in them FALLING FROM GRACE, they became SINNERS and were forced to leave Eden.

    their relationship with God was esentially severed. they could no longer communicate with him.

    as Adam and Eve are the origins of us all, we are all essentially born with the same fault. that of succumbing to temptation. u COULD say a new born baby has still not yet sinned. and this would be true. BUT that newborn, sure as shit, will eventually sin.

    God saw all this. he knew once we fell, we would ALWAYS be sinners.

    He didn't want our relationship (GOD & US) to remain like this forever. so he sent Jesus, the one man completely FREE of sin who could shed his blood to wash away the sins of EVERY MAN FOREVER.

    now, all one has to do is ACCEPT JESUS as our TRUE SAVIOUR. believe that what he did enables us to be forgiven and enter heaven when we leave this earth

    and i don't get the OPs question anyway
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  4. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    your 'crafty argument' flawed as hell

    God aint dead

    Jesus died and rose from the dead and returned to heaven 2000 years ago

    God still creating shit today

    wtf u on about?
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  5. M-theory

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    If my argument is flawed, then point out the flaws in my argument please.
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  6. M-theory

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    Who or what is the one true eternally living God, if you believe such a thing exists? Whatever your answer may be, is Jesus one in the same?
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  7. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    i pointed out the flaws in your argument

    God aint dead

    Jesus aint dead

    God's still creating things today

    Yaweh is God, Jesus was the embodiment of God on this earth

    Jesus does not exist today as he did 2000 years ago but yes he still exists
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  8. M-theory

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    You didn't point out any flaws in my argument.

    You didn't answer my questions either.

    You're just making contradictions.
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  9. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    yes i did highlight your arguments flaws

    well, one major flaw

    u say God died over 2000 years ago

    no. he didn't.
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  10. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    and

    u didn't even ask a question

    u made false statements
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  11. M-theory

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    I didn't say God died over 2000 years ago. I said that's what you believe. If you don't believe it, why are you in here contradicting what I said and now putting words in my mouth?

    If you are a Christian and you answer the questions

    "Who or what is the one true eternally living God, if you believe such a thing exists? Whatever your answer may be, is Jesus one in the same?"

    maybe you will understand my argument better.
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  12. M-theory

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    Actually I did ask two questions which I just posted and you ignored them, and then I just quoted them in my last post.

    What false statements did I make? You just said Jesus was the embodiment of God on earth.

    So if Yahweh is God, do you believe that Jesus and Yahweh are one?
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  13. miscreant

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    Yaweh, Jehova, Allah, God, is the one true eternally living God

    Yes, Jesus is/was apart of the WHOLE entity that God is
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  14. miscreant

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    the false statements u make about what u believe Christians believe.

    as in God dying 2000 years ago

    Jesus, as in the Jesus recorded in the Bible, was a part of the entity that God is.

    today Jesus is a part of the entity that God is, but not in the way He was recorded in the bible
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  15. M-theory

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    Ephesians 3:6 says that God created all things through Jesus Christ.

    The verse about how God knits/forms you in the womb comes from a psalm. It's poetry. Is he forming his children inside pregnant women's wombs as we speak, or is it just a poetic way of telling us that sex gets girls knocked up?

    If the Bible was taught in public schools, that particular psalm would be in a fifth graders curriculum right?

    Jeremiah 1:5 makes a clear distinction between how God knew Jeremiah before the womb, and how God set him apart before he came out of the womb. This leads one to believe that God consecrated him a prophet while he was in the womb and not before he was conceived. Thus, if this is more than an isolated incident and is actually true of all people, we see that God literally develops each of us while we are in the womb and the verse I used from Psalms should not be taken as mere poetry denoting that God chose human reproduction and then let it be.

    So if you believe Jesus died and resurrected three days later, then would you accept that for the three days he was dead not a single soul was created - seeing as God creates all things through Jesus Christ?

    I mean three days is a small window of time, especially if you take into account the population of the earth at the time. Do you think that a likely possibility?
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  16. miscreant

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    Jesus 'died' physically.

    as in his human form was lifeless

    Jesus was not 'deceased' for those 3 days
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  17. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    so no

    during those 3 days souls were still being created

    u could even elaborate this more in to shit like,

    ALL souls have already been created. they're currently in Heaven. until God decideds to impart one of those souls in to the fetus inside a womb
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  18. M-theory

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    Only for this discussion have I made the claim that Christians believe God died 2000 years ago. You accept Jesus is part of the ONE TRUE ETERNALLY LIVING GOD, correct? Do you believe that Jesus has lived eternally - with no cut offs? Because that is what eternally living means. Or do you believe that Jesus died on the cross?

    What is your understanding of the Trinity?
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  19. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    my understanding of the Trinity is pretty much as u and the other dude described it in the other thread

    understand this,

    Jesus died PHYSICALLY on the cross

    as in his human form died

    Jesus has NEVER died in spirit.
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  20. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    btw i liked ur verse in the other thread

    really, shit was nice
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