Allah=Elohah thread

Discussion in 'The Sanctuary' started by lyricalpriest, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. M-theory

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    I'm convinced he's referring to the God of what Marcus Borg calls "supernatural theism," some super powerful authority figure who created the universe apart from itself. He says "the God" and so I know he's referring to one God. You are of course right to throw every god of any religion into the mix "that atheists don't believe in" but he is clearly speaking of one God so saying he's going against any form of monotheism is misguided.
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    if that's the distinction that he was making then the distinction lies in the oneness of that god, not the fact that atheists don't believe in it which is entirely irrelevant. i wasn't seriously supposing he believed in all of those gods, so i also wasn't seriously suggesting he doesn't adhere to a strict monotheism.
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  3. M-theory

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    I'm not sure that it's irrelevant, and my reasoning is that this God (Santa Claus basically) is the one that atheists have no trouble refuting ad nauseum. It's a weak representation of a god, it's the one that I think most atheists who were once theists become contemptuous about. And sorry for calling you misguided, I did catch that maybe you weren't being all that serious on that point but went ahead and posted anyway thinking it's possible you were serious.
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  4. reggie jax

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    sure, but isn't that just cause this is basically the only god that still has believers that most of us encounter? if the cult of zeus were more prominent in modern times i think people would spend more time refuting him.

    when i said it was irrelevant, i simply meant that the monotheistic god's oneness and the fact that atheists don't believe in him are seemingly unrelated. the latter doesn't help to make the distinction of the former, because it's actually a quality that god shares with every other god. i was definitely nitpicking though. i just thought the phrase was giving some undue privilege to that god.
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    Best thread jack ever thanks reggie n m for blessing us please continue
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  6. Ass Napkin Ed

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    Islam isn't a conspiracy - its a proven fact its roots are in planetary/pagan worship
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  7. NatGeografik

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    Nope, just the God that is consistent across cultures and religions. What I meant by Ra was just what I had thought was the central god figure in Egyptian religion
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  8. NatGeografik

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    That Islam refuted and rejected
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    The word in Arabic is سجد which is Sajada in transliteration. It literally means "placing ones forehead on the ground" according to Lisaan al-Arab (The Arabic Tongue) which is one of the most authoratative dictionaries in the Arabic language. Volume 3 page 204, it goes on to say that it is used to "golirfication" or "worship." This is why a Masjid is a place where one does Sajda, aka worship.

    Here are the verses around it:

    33 And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands firm (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."

    34 The good deed and the evil deed cannot be equal. Repel (the evil) with one which is better (i.e. Allah orders the faithful believers to be patient at the time of anger, and to excuse those who treat them badly) then verily he, between whom and you there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a close friend.

    35 But none is granted it (the above quality) except those who are patient - and none is granted it except the owner of the great portion (of happiness in the Hereafter i.e. Paradise and of a high moral character) in this world.

    36 And if an evil whisper from Shaitan (Satan) tries to turn you away (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) (from doing good), then seek refuge in Allah. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

    37 And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate yourselves not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.

    38 But if they are too proud (to do so), then there are those who are with your Lord (angels) glorify Him night and day, and never are they tired.

    39 And among His Signs (in this), that you see the earth barren; but when We send down water (rain) to it, it is stirred to life and growth (of vegetations). Verily, He Who gives it life, surely, is Able to give life to the dead (on the Day of Resurrection). Indeed He is Able to do all things.

    40 Verily, those who turn away from Our Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc. by attacking, distorting and denying them) are not hidden from Us. Is he who is cast into the Fire better or he who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do what you will. Verily He is All-Seer of what you do (this is a severe threat to the disbelievers ).

    41 Verily, those who disbelieved in the Reminder (i.e. the Qur'an) when it came to them (shall receive the punishment). And verily, it is an honourable well-fortified respected Book (because it is Allah's Speech, and He has protected it from corruption. (See V.15:9)

    42 Falsehood cannot come to it from before it or behind it: (it is) sent down by the All-Wise, Worthy of all praise (Allah عز وجل).

    43 Nothing is said to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) except what was said to the Messengers before you. Verily, your Lord is the Possessor of Forgiveness, and (also) the Possessor of Painful Punishment.

    44 And if We had sent this as a Qur'an in a foreign language (other than Arabic), they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail (in our language)? What! (A Book) not in Arabic and (the Messenger) an Arab?" Say: "It is for those who believe, a guide and a healing. And as for those who disbelieve, there is heaviness (deafness) in their ears, and it (the Qur'an) is blindness for them. They are those who are called from a place far away (so they neither listen nor understand)."

    45 And indeed We gave Musa (Moses) the Scripture, but dispute arose therein. And had it not been for a Word that went forth before from your Lord, (the torment would have overtaken them) and the matter would have been settled between them. But truly, they are in grave doubt thereto (i.e. about the Qur'an). [Tafsir Al-Qurtubi].

    46 Whosoever does righteous good deed, it is for (the benefit of) his ownself; and whosoever does evil, it is against his ownself. And your Lord is not at all unjust to (His) slaves.
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  10. NatGeografik

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    @reggie jax @M-theory

    This god that you guys equate on the same level of all gods, why is He consistent across all cultures while Santa Claus, for example, is not? For example, I don't believe or not believe in say, insert random German god here, because I don't know who that is. But God, it seems all atheists, even children of atheists, know who He he is.
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  11. Alias3000

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    Again, the Most High is always spoken of in the Masculine. YOu can't inject your bullshit with the truth dude.

    and I've yet to see where Asherah is the Most High's wife...lol
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    Which one of you can explain this verse from the Bible, and we can shut it down right here.

    "I'm come not but for the House of Israel"
    -Yeshua
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    lol your funny
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  14. Ass Napkin Ed

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    according to what?
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  15. Alias3000

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    The Holy Bible is a Prophetic History Book directed at the Israelites only. For It was written that foolish Israelites following the rest of the Nations would "chase after new Gods that spring newly up".

    So Allah, Buddha, Vishnu, Amen-Ra, Moroni, etc....are ALL New GOds and doctrines that sprang newly up exactly how the Most High said they would.

    Some of you actually think the 12 Tribes are exstinct and wiped off the planet. YOu are fools, because the Most High specifically tells his people that he would "NOT utterly wipe Israel off the face of the earth, but used as an example of his Will and Power"

    What people can you think of RIGHT NOW that Esau and the Nations are systematically trying to wipe off the face of the earth on a daily basis?

    YOu guessed it, the Israelites. NOt the Muslims, Not the Hindus, Not the Africans,Not the Ashkenaxzi , for all these Nations are against the Israelites as well.

    "ENEMIES" <---The Most High's words not mine.
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  16. Ass Napkin Ed

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    whats your God's Name?
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  17. Alias3000

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    According the Holy Scritpures.

    NOw where is that verse about Asherah being the Most High's wife. I'm tickled pink to read that bullshit or expose you for trying to mingle bullshit paganism in with the truth.
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  18. Alias3000

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    The Most High
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    So you have no answer for it?
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  20. Ass Napkin Ed

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    i gave you the link on Asherah - who she was and her origin
    Asherah according to the ancient texts was seen as El's Female Consort
    she is a Semetic/Sumerian deity - you know where Abraham was - UR, an ancient sumer city

    how much do you know about ancient texts?
    thats right - you swore up and down that Asherah was 'Nowhere' in the bible
    and Lo and Behold - she is all over the Torah

    you need to do some research
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