Nate Doggs whole album, both discs of G Funk Volume 1 and 2 had back to back mid-90's hip-hop beats. Same for his late 90's sophomore - you never heard the song Regulate where he sings just as much as Warren G rhymes? Lauryn Hill sang the whole way through on Killing Me Softly... D'Angelo, Alliyah, SWV, En Vogue, Toni Braxton, Mariah Carey, TLC, etc etc - all had very hip-hop laced beats. Even Christina Aguilera's first single, Genie In a Bottle was a hip-hop beat... with a DJ on the tables and everything. It is all the same shit... lay some drums down, drop the bass, find the melodys... and you got a beat. Except, instead of one SP1200 you've got million dollar studios for that crisp sound. Why would you like anything that's objectively wack? The way you put it... if this was rock, acoustic is going to be automatically inferior to electric no matter how well the acoustic is played, and how badly the electric. And objectively, nothing can fuck with classical music from centuries ago... so everything is "objectively bad" right? Please use some logic that's actually applicable. 'cause they're trying to make pop music instead of hip-hop? That's not what I'd call progression of an art form... they're making dope pop music and inferior hip-hop music? You got it backwards anyway... the trend now is too use soul samples and obscure vocals in beats, and that was being done to death in the early and mid 90's and the biggest hits in hip-hop usually have the most simplistic and least musical beats - 'cause it's the least musically challenging/distracting for the casual radio listener, and alot easier to dance to a repetetive loop. It's just like the preferred level of lyricism in any music genre: the really poetic and complex shit doesn't get any play. Lil Jon is the most in demand producer out right now and his shit isn't musical at all It doesn't resemble the pop-styled production of mid 90's stuff like Madonna's "Like a Prayer" or MJ's "History" in any way... that Whisper song by Ying Yang Twins sounds like it was made on MTV Music Generator. So you're basically telling me why hip-hop is selling more than ever, and not why it's "objectively better" than ever. Now you think RZA was a good producer? Before you were telling me he was wack... so why did you start to consider Cuban Linx a classic, and RZA a genius? Was it because of the breakdown XXL did?