LO @ you two. I was actually talking about the both of you - you need to just agree to disagree and call it a day. (my opinion - not trying to tell you two grown ass menz what to do) I understood where Konscious was coming from as far as his point about you (Brit) not being able to say whether or not natural childbirth could be seen as a blessing by some women - I think you misunderstood what he was saying. But, overall, I agree with you TOTALLY as far as this topic is concerned. I'm just saying, I think you both see where the other is coming from (or you should by now)... you don't have to agree with one another... and nobody has to feel "sonned" (lol... sorry, Brit, I giggles when I read that). Peace pipe, anyone?