I have friends like that... most of them talk all that rah rah about being "soldiers" because they did it all "natural", but then complain about the agonizing hours of pain they had to endure... and then go on to say that they actually had requested medication but had gotten to the hospital too far into their labor for the doctor to allow them to have it, for safety issues. So that "natural" birth wasn't even by choice for them, they had to "tough it out" by default. Like I said, we all had the same end result [though my labors & delieveries were shorter than almost all of my friends'], I just got to my destination a lot more comfortably. In general, I don't care either way when I hear women say that... I don't really understand the logic behind it, but they're certainly entitled to knock themselves out [and believe me, they'll certainly want to!] if thats their choice. If they derive some heightened sense of spirituality or whateverever else from the experience... more power to 'em. As long as they don't come at me with all that self-righteous babble, we're all good.