3 Way Battle pt. 1 (Eminem vs. Nas vs. Jay-Z)

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Whose the best between these three?

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  1. MG Grand

    MG Grand the king (and im serious)

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    FUCK U ANDTHEMC, U LIKIN EMINEMS DICK A LIL TOO MUCH NOW. WHAT U WANT TO TASTE HIS CUM IN YOUR MOTH TOO?


    GOD DAMN...THIS ••••• BE WRITIN STORIES TO TRY AND PROVE THAT EMINEM IS THE BEST.
    U WANNA ASS FUCK HIM TOO? BULLSHIT
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  2. Hizzle

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    I will adress every lackluster and completely null and void point you made 1 at a time for effect, you don't know what are you are talking about, and i will expose this.


    Grouping and pairing of words is not something that can't be "beyond" shut up.


    Syntax - the form and fashion of which words correspond in a structured rhyme.

    Nas structures his rhymes in somewhere between 10-20 complex fashions.

    AB/AB ABAB/ABAB ABC/ABC AABBCC//AABBCC AABB//AABB to name a few that show themselves particularly in Nastradamus, as i am listening to that album right now.



    Switching rhyme "scheme's" = bad syntax.


    end of your argument, you can no longer argue syntax, you know nothing of it, you have proved yourself wrong.


    so, we'll stop there on syntax, i'm right, you're wrong


    Me - 1 You - o
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  3. ANDtheMC

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    UMM.... you're gay

    We're havin' a debate her and du' dropped a long post showin' how he says Nas has better rhyme structure so I'm provin' 'em wrong... Sorry if you don't know how to intelligently debate and you got nothing of knowledge to drop

    So keep tryin'... ignoramus
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  4. Hizzle

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    Rapid = Fast



    in the very smallest sense of wordage



    are you in 8th grade, you know nothing.



    a Rapid flow is what then?



    you should shut the fuck up now.
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  5. ANDtheMC

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    blah blah blah... hit me

    [quoteGrouping and pairing of words is not something that can be "beyond" shut up.[/quote]

    beyond meaning he's beyond his level... *shakes head at that comment*

    drop the bars...

    And Em has wayyyyyyy more complex bar schemes than that... But once again, drop the bars... Then I'll drop bars and break down the rhyme structure...

    False... Cuz then every rapper has bad syntax...

    Syntax is just a grouping of words and the structure of it... It doesn't matter how many times you change rhyme schemes... If that were the case, anybody with inner bar schemes is goin' outside the rules and it's off... FALSE...

    Nice try to escape this argument... You obviously have no argument... Until you drop bars and show somethin' more complex than bar structure I will drop from Em that COMPLETELY shit on the •••••••••• of Nas's bar structure, then you're wrong

    False... This is the FINAL SCORE: 10-0 ME... You're done cuz you're arguments are soooooo off... Once again, switching of rhyme schemes isn't goin' outside the "rules of the grouping of wording" You're strayin'.... Get found and come back to me
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  6. ANDtheMC

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    Moron... rapid means no pauses you fuckin' idiot... you can have a slow delivery with elongated words and still have a rapid flow by not pausing in between bars... *shakes head* get smart you ignoramus

    EDITED: Oh yeah, and before you go get the definition of rapid and say I'm wrong: flow is the timing at the end of the bars... rapid flow means FAST/RAPID transition into the next bar... moron... once again, GET SMART
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  7. fishyfishy

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    a random point to something and said
    "His story telling is up there with the elite... "
    if em ever did a story telling track with shock value to it (ie 3 sides 2 a story/dance with the devil) it would be in-fin-credible. stan is great but doesnt leave you in awe like those other 2.
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  8. Hizzle

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    A. Alliteration is one form of llymbic rhyme that has 0 to do with rhyme structure, why you mention it? oh, because you know 0 about rhyme structuring.


    B. Nas is multi-syllabic in 99% of all his rhyme structuring. He may for the sake of a concept he is trying to convey may limit his word choice to a monosyllabic pattern, few and far between and he is doing it on purpose. I.E. Nas' Dance (only at parts)

    or Jay-Z's Momma Loves me.


    C. Nas rhymes multisyllabic rhyme pattersn 99% of the times he rhymes, and of the 99% he uses a third and fourth syllable in the same pattern about 50% of the time.


    something like:




    that is an ABCC//ABCC


    didn't take me long to find that, first song in the first place i looked.


    that's because Nas constantly does it, while also remaining in syntax, excellent form and fashion.


    Em rhymes for the sake of rhyming because his syntax and pattern chance 10-15 times during a rhyme while Nas is fluid, he just writes his rhymes to rhyme, he doesn't stay in syntax, he doesn't stick to 1 pattern.


    When you leave pattern it's called a fault in poetry, and it is indicative of poor structuring. Changing from 1 patter to another is a BAD quality in rhyme, not a good quality.


    it also proves your syntax is VERY poor, even non-existent


    the fact that you said Eminem's syntax is even decent proves you know 0 about syntax.




    Next.
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  9. MG Grand

    MG Grand the king (and im serious)

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    lol. fuck u bitch. fuck ur debate. EMINEM AND NAS SUCK DICK
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  10. ANDtheMC

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    This is where your false... You don't need shock value in order for it to be a great story... Yes, it's a great twist to a story but it's also how visual you are (when it's through words), the placement of each word, the story-line, the emotion, the rhyming, the choice of words, and more... Dance with the Devil is a BETTER STORY than Em's stories but he lacked in aspects of how he delivered it... Once again, IMO, Immortal Technique's delivery is shaky... And lets also add Kim, As the World Turns, Brain Damage, and more....
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  11. ANDtheMC

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    interesting how you have no argument and have to talk more nonsense... see ya
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  12. Hizzle

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    no, rapid means fast, you MADE UP that rapid means no pauses, that was completely made up, in your mind, you may not use that as a point.


    flow is not the timing at the end of bars, flow is a slang term for Delivery started by Rakim when Follow the Leader dropped.



    Fast or Rapid transition into the next bar is EXACTLY what i said initially, EXACTLY


    rhyming fast, or delivering your rhymes rapidly, same exact thing



    you need to "get smart"


    you have been dismantled already, anybody with any intelligence can see you have already lost this debate, you are just passionately taking up for Eminem, it's ok, but you aren't intelligent, and prove yourself wrong more often than not.
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  13. Hizzle

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    i'll agree in part


    whether or not a story is missing an aspect is subjective, some people dislike certain things and a story missing certain things may be perfect to some, incomplete to others.
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  14. Hizzle

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    I was born in Astoria, I now live in Long Island City.







    I don't know a single one, from NYU to USMC i have never met somebody that was hyped over Eminem, save for maybe a couple white boys here and there.

    that's just a casual observation, we can't actually debate this, get off your high horse.






    Show me one A/A/A/A from Nas...show me one...



    everybody watch me destroy this cat...please i hope people are reading this in awe of your stupidity and how badly i've handed you your own ass.


    show me homie...show me.
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  15. ANDtheMC

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    False, I didn't mention it with rhyme structure... I mentioned it with aspects of bein' lyrical... And yes, that is a characterist of bein' lyrical

    He rhymes two syllable WORDS but it is not compound multisyllable rhyming... You're wrong... Which is more complex and harder to do... Anybody can rhyme asian, hatin', integration, fakin', information just for the last two syllables and call that a two syllable rhyme... And yes, that's the point... It's harder to stay on topic WHILE rhymin' extensive multi's (which EMINEM CAN DO) and Nas can't do it... For instance, Lose Yourself where he's rhymin' very EXTENSIVE multi's and stays on topic... And even when Nas does rhyme multi's, they're minimal....

    Jay's the same as Nas... But he is better at multi's than Nas

    false... he rarely gets to a "fourth syllable in a pattern"... he doesn't have "CONNECTED" (key word) four syllable rhymes

    I'll finish this later... I'm leavin' work
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  16. fishyfishy

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    cmon dont be silly you know what im saying

    there storytelling tracks and theres storytelling tracks.

    brain damage, kim, stan arent on 3 sides/ dance with devils level.
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  17. Hizzle

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    there is nothing to prove or show, you can not DEBATE opinion, you can argue opinion


    you can DEBATE fact


    and in music the only factual concepts are rhyme structure and •••••••••• and syntax, you can make things like Substance fact by saying



    Fact: Nas rhymes about black society more than Eminem



    and we can sit here all night and count how many thousands of Nas references there are to serious issues.



    PROVEN



    You Lose.
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  18. Hizzle

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    OMG every reply you say has no basis in fact




    from here on out the only replies i want from you are FACTS



    show me FACTS, if you can't show me FACTS


    you lose



    Come Clear and SHOW ME a FACT



    if you come with one more opinion like your last post, which was TOTALLY shit you made up, and has NOTHING to do with actual fact you are fucking done



    Next post from you better be some fucking Mark Twain shit if you want to receive more verse in actual lyricism.


    don't tell me what an aspect of being lyrical is you fucking pissant, i will TELL YOU what the aspects are



    and the only ones that we can debate as being facts


    are structure and syntax


    and Nas wins in both until you say SOMETHING, just ONE THING that is fact
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  19. Hizzle

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    compound multi syllabe rhyming?



    something you made up.


    but let me adress it.


    Compound - To combine so as to form a whole; mix


    something like "•••••• Flip em, with the funky rhythm i be kickin" that is compound, bare bones.


    Multi syllabe, yes.


    Rhyming.


    Yes.



    once again i argue facts and ruin you.



    come with a fact or you're done, you've lost thus far.
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  20. Sonz1

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    ANDs gettin merked...
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