Discussion in 'Hip-Hop Central' started by thedream233, Aug 21, 2013.
We both do.....But what are you getting at here?
I didn't say to peep it, I asked if you consider it rap
you said rap is performance art
but at the same time you associate good rap with good music, like if you can't make good music you're not a good rapper.
but what about an acapella cypher, that aint rap? let's say a nigga with no music outshined drake in a cypher n then beat him in a battle, who the better rapper?
Dream said Jay ain't a good lyricist but he's one of the best rappers because of his music. There's all types of wrong with that statement imo...you can't be the best rapper without being a great lyricist..
Yea and being a great song maker doesn't make you a great rapper either...it works both ways...but you seem overall disrespectful to battling...like it ain't a form of rap or something..but really it's the essence..
what do you mean am I serious? what's so outlandish about the question? rappin aint necessarily music..its words in motion, ya voice is ya instrument
Why no love for acapellas?
so if cats on the street corner are rippin it with no beat accapella you wouldn't stop to listen?
Rap began in the streets n parks, not the studio..
my whole thing was the rapper vs. the music argument
How can Jay Z can be considered one of the best rappers with "good music" being the top reason he one of the best, but his "rapping" being a lesser reason?
To me that's backwards..
It comes down to what really made Jay-Z as good as he was...It wuz always his lyrics, everything else was style which Jay also perfected..People came to love Jay cuz of what he said, didn't hurt that he had more style than most rappers..but with Jay it was always bout how deadly he can come lyrically with the style to compliment..
22 Two's ain't impress you lyrically?
AU: Another Universe by MidaZ the Beast is sick, just heard it today
Goodness Mel with the grand slam. But yeah Jay has always been lyrically sick ever since the beginning. 22 two's D'evils Dead Presidents I and II. Some of my favorite lines came from him with the
"but one of these buyers got eyes like a Korean
It's difficult to read em, the windows to his soul
are half closed"
IMO the way he put that shit together was so clever. To say Jay isn't a top lyricist is sort of disrespectful but to each his own I guess?
Dude I realized you must have misread what i said about what a rapper is.....A rapper can rap, and does so making good music out of it....one can rap well, but that does not make that same person write well.....Jay can do both, and that is why he is a great.in both......Im not sure why you took anything I said to mean I was knocking anything except the way people use lyricist.....Rap music is what we are talking about, and battling or freestyling is a different thing than making music, and a rapper who doesn't make music is mot a serious rapper.....this has zero to do with not being able to write......
How do Is I seem disrespectful to battling, ask lush or plex or eliotdrummond, roc555, mapleaf, avo, or any of then if have long supported battle rap.....You sounding stupid bro, I think you misunderstood what I said there and the other post, at least I hope you did......
well first off, Jay-z overall has the best beat selection I've heard from any other rapper.
but I like hip hop based on 4 criteria...
the MUSIC is these 4 combined.
90% of the time when I like a jay track, its because of the Delivery or production or both... cause when hes at his best, Jay can flow like crazy... (I like 22 two's for THAT reason, other than the clever "checkin in his casket, look at him, still sleepin") In fact thats why I like Reasonable doubt so much, because of Jay's delivery and production.
like many have said before, in hip hop, how you say it is more important than what you say.
lyrically Jay can be nice, but is he up there with Nas or BIG? NO.
his content I often cant stand cause he's like a watered down version of BIG.. all the flashy player "brag about my possessions" shit without the edginess BIG had. Every so often you'll get a dpoe story like "Meet the Parents" but not often at that caliber.
so thats why hes on my top 20, yet not my top ten...
and thats why I say his overall MUSIC puts hip in my top 20 in the first place.
well you said no matter who it is (even if its your favorite rapper) you slim through it first to see if you like it. An album is a work of art and its not really the artists intention for it to be heard that way...
take Good Kid Maad City for instance... you get the full story if you put it on track 1 and play it to the end, cause there are skits at the end of songs...
someone who is just skimming through the album might not think its that great because they dont see what makes it a fully cohesive unit.
lol I fuckin loved BP3... like I've always said about that album, I dont love it for Jay, I love that album for the production and the features.
very true, I feel you.....I don't skim thru kendrik..... you know the shit I listen to bro, we have simiklar tast besides Tygga
"Look at him still sleeping" line is fucking ridiculous but you didnt like his first verse? I thought it was one of the cleverest verses of all time
k most have already been said been bumping these pretty heavy
7 G.E.M.S - Golden Era Music Sciences
uMaNg - The revisited
Word Jay's beat selection is up there..every album has had countless classic beats
but a rapper of Jay's caliber deserve those beats...it's what took him over the top
Your criteria is on point
In rap the beat and lyrics are definitely the main components...then content, delivery, etc all assemble ya style while simultaneously displayin ya rap ability..
Ok word, but that's why I question your claim he's one of the best, but I guess you just like him as a rapper for other reasons you see as valid n have the respect for the goats
Jay has the whole package..lyrics, beats, n style...that's why he has classics...a classic album without dope lyrics is rare n it sure aint Reasonable Doubt...
Who's the best mc, Jay-Z, Biggie, or Nas...Jay made the comparison of the 3 famous..cuz of a witty line..you like Big L who is lyrics n punchlines before anything else but can't appreciate Jay lyrics who established himself as what Big L could've been but less punchline n grimey gutter bravado n more dense, complete artist type but still with a street style..
N lyrically I'd rank the 3
Overall, same order..
but him n Big were cool...they prob had similar styles in general...a lot of undercover bitin be goin down in hip hop period..Pac dissed BIG in Hit Em Up fo bitin when he said You Copied my style...you can't fault Jay fo his style...just like your adament EM's style was completely his own, when really it wasn't,,,but that's neither here nor there..Jay n Em also birthed a lot of rappers cuz they established new lanes free from influence..
Fair enough...still think your view of Jay is limited..but I hear you
Jay prob in my top 10 overall
copied my style, was pac referencing big copying his lifestyle.....He said that about ther entire idea behind Juicy, cuz Big never had any of the shit he was talking bout at that time
I know he meant lifestlye, not necessarily rap style..
but it all manifests itself in the music anyway
Now it's all about Versace
You copied my style
Miami, D.C. prefer Versace
So you wanna rate something that isn't even quantifiable?
It's because of shit like this that Jay will always be top 10 to me:
Why do you keep adding Dessa, Dessa is fucking garbage.
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