Discussion in 'Overtime: Off-Topic Discussion' started by ghostofmooks, Jul 20, 2012.
Dude....honestly...Alex Jones is just off the deep end these days.
Tbh, regardless of whether or not the general public is able to purchase high powered firearms, if the powers that be wanted to impose some sort of new radical method of global control, they wouldn't need to disarm the public to do it. Like I said, if the military wanted to subdue a civilian population, it would just drone strike a particular area.
I don't support overturning the 2nd ammendment, I just think it should be at least moderately difficult for people to get firearms. There should definitely be a significant amount of red tape involved.
That has been the gist of my entire argument.
I have guns...but I wish I didn't have them...I wish I didn't feel like I needed them, but the truth is that because others have them, I feel like I need to have them.
I, however, unlike many others whom I have come in contact with, fully comprehend the type of destruction they are capable of wreaking upon a human being, and this is why I don't think they should be handed out like popcicles on a hot day.
Yeah I know Jones can be delusional about shit, he just exaggerates the truth once any Big Media reports on something remotely conspiracy related. Sad thing is though he predicted some shit like this would happen upon this movie being released.
Also good on you for realizing the American gun system is beyond fucked, as so many don't.
See, the difference here is that you actually believe that the government is capable of sticking its nose into these things and not only NOT overstepping its bounds but also not completely fucking everything up. I don't think that it is capable of that and has proven so on several occasions.
You want the middle class to do well? Stop taxing them to death and tax EVERYONE equally. OMGFUCKINGBRILLIANT. Of course your idea of equality is taxing the "rich" so hard that the essentially become middle class.
My shenanigans are cheeky and fun. Your shenanigans are tragic and cruel. Which makes them not shenanigans at all.
The difference is that when I call you a Marxist and a communist and all that I'm just having a little fun at your expense. Then you get sand in your vagina about it instead of just having a little fun back at mine (Pause?).
Which means that every single person that owns one of those guns must be doing that right? Come the fuck on dude. You're really just doing what you're accusing me of and being contrary for the sake of being contrary.
More failed lampooning and point ignoring. smh
HAH! YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND!
That is indeed tragic and if true then I'm sorry that you had to suffer that. However, I NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said that the only people using guns were using them for varmint control. I said the vast majority of people using semi-auto .223 chambered guns used them for that. I don't understand how you can be in college and your reading comprehension still be this fucking awful. Seriously, you should look into some Sylvan Learning Centers. Get tested for for learning disabilities. Something.
Never said that. Also, you're wrong. The vast majority of people who buy guns never use them on people. There were over 10 million guns sold in the U.S. last year (Legally mind you). I can't find the exact FBI statistic for gun murders but given the previous year's number (2010 was 8,775) we'll say it's nine thousand. Do you know what percentage nine thousand is of ten million? 0.09%. 0.09% is fucking nothing. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to marginalise the loss of human life at all but I think you're deliberately trying to blow the situation out of proportion in order to press your personal agenda.
So, you're saying one thing. But in the past you've done the opposite thing. There's a word for that. I can't quite remember what it is though...
The one I attended was quite in depth. I guess it depends on where you are.
So when I hypothesise it's laughable and stupid, but when YOU hypothesise it's valid and a reasonable argument. Damn it, why can't I remember what that word is?
Anyhow, that's not a common thing that's happening obviously or CNN and NBC News would be ALL over that shit.
structure is right
If the crazy fucker had to wait 11 days to get his guns he would have just went to the store to get them sooner. Makes total sense.
You just did it in your last post! Still can't remember what the word for this is. It'll come to me.
I'd venture it was the rifle and the shotgun that did the vast majority of the damage. Again though, crazy people will do crazy shit regardless of waiting periods and safety classes. Which, by the way, I don't oppose mandatory safety classes for CCW holders.
Yep. I can just see that evil CEO of Whammo sitting in his office making phone calls to senators so that he can keep his company's lock on frisbees and hoola hoops. Seriously? Do you even read the shit that you write?
I would argue that I'm not ignoring a great evil. I'm just not laying blame where it doesn't belong. The corporations that do fucked up shit wouldn't be able to do any of the fucked up shit that they do if it weren't for fucking politicians and the State and even the people who vote them in allowing it. See what I'm getting at here?
California inarguably has some of the strictest laws in the nation regarding guns and in 2010 had the highest number of gun crimes in the country. No, you're right. Those laws totally work. Actually, if you look at this map of U.S. gun murders in 2010 you'll notice something pretty fucking telling:
The gun crime map of America: interactive | News | guardian.co.uk
Aside from Texas, which is having serious issues with drug cartels because of the bullshit war on drugs, the two states with the highest gun murder rates in the U.S. are the two with the four and five star Brady Campaign grades (Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence). How do you not see this shit and think "Well, fuck. Maybe it doesn't work after all"? I know you ADORE Europe because it's on its Socialist march right now but I'm telling you America should not model itself after them. America is a completely different place with a completely different people and a completely different culture. Just because something "appears to work" there doesn't mean that it will work here. Especially considering that our population is larger than any single European country's.
BTW, there total numbers of gun crimes in the U.S. has steadily declined with the the rest of crime over the past forty years. It's not like there's some epidemic going on. The number has gone down and will continue to go down w/o enacting any new laws regarding guns.
Oh I finally realised what the word I was looking for is.
YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE
You're still blind. The government is no longer capable of adequately providing public goods, but it's because its strings are being pulled by the corporate and banking sectors. Once again, you demonstrate your uncanny ability to plant yourself firmly behind the smoke screen and not budge.
Once again, you need to do some reading.
Adam Smith, the author and economist who wrote "The Wealth of Nations" and is considered the father of modern capitalism advocated a higher tax rate for the wealthy in a capitalist economy. He understood, just as any sane person should understand, that without some form of wealth redistribution which offers those at the bottom a helping hand, that social mobility becomes impossible, and the middle class disappears.
I take it you completely missed the last two words of that paragraph. You know....the part where I talked about people killing people with guns.
No....you're just stating that it's worth the cost of human lives lost in shootings for farmers to use assault weapons for "varmint control".
And please stop with all the technical rants about how guns that farmers use "aren't on the same platform" and "don't use the same round".
You sound like someone desperately trying to extol the practical uses of a guillotine.
"I know that this guillotine can be used to decapitate people, but there are thousands of responsible guillotine owners who only use them for slicing watermelons" is essentially saying the same thing as "I know this assault weapon looks scary, but it really only fires a .22/3 round, isn't fully automatic, and many people only use them to hunt gophers on farms", as if that shit somehow negates its capacity for killing human beings.
Lol....your argument is pure satire.
Really? You say you're not trying to marginalize the loss of human life at all? And yet that's all you've really been doing throughout this entire argument. Hmmmm.....there's a term for people who do things like that...I just can't quite remember what it is right now....
I never put forth a hypothesis. I have actually witnessed people engage in the behavior I described, (getting angry, going to get a gun, and coming back and shooting at people)...
Btw, I am not a hypocrite because hypocrisy requires concurrent self contradictory action. Let me explain because you seem to be experiencing difficulty understanding the definition of the word.
If I was currently going around stealing guns, and then coming on this site and yapping about how bad it is for criminals to steal guns, that would be hypocritical.
If I had engaged in criminal behavior in the past, such as stealing guns, and then, years later, came on this site and expressed my uniquely qualified opinion on how detrimental stolen guns can be to a community, (which is the case), that would not be hypocritical at all.
This is why many social workers are people with criminal histories who have proven themselves to be rehabilitated.
Hmmm..****ease tell me if I'm confused, but if the state of Colorado had a waiting period, that means that he would have had to wait the 11 days no matter where he bought the guns....right...? That's what a "waiting period" means...it's the time it takes for the gun retailer you're attempting to purchase a gun from to send your information to the Department of Justice and for the Department of Justice to subsequently respond...I'm pretty sure your statement makes no sense...how would he have been able to "get his guns from the store quicker" if his state had a waiting period?
Yeah. Large corporations have no interest in influencing law makers to provide tax loopholes. They don't do that. Whatever could I have been thinking? Dear me, I must be euphoric. Please disregard my fatuousness.
Yes, yes. You're quite right. Corporations don't prey on the human condition of politicians and use their financial leverage to make it impossible for any politician to get elected who doesn't cater to their whimsy. Once again, I must be experiencing euphoria. Could there be something in the water?
Yes...this begs the question, which came first...the chicken or the egg? In other words, was the gun crime rate in California high before gun legislation was enacted, or was gun legislation enacted with no real prior motive?
Being that California has had a history of violent worker uprisings since the time of the Gold Rush and has undergone many different political conflicts, upheavals and struggles associated with violent incidents long before the Capitulation of Cahuenga when the Mexican Dons and rancheros finally surrendered the territory to the Americans, I'd say that the gun violence was present long before the legislation was enacted.
Yeah. Once again....the United States is NUMBER ONE in overall crime in the world among developed and developing nations; - you - fucking - myopic - fuck;
Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime
Also being stated for the second time is the fact that the U.S.'s overall crime numbers are double that of the runner up (the U.K.).
Once again...the hard facts and examination of the macrocosm show that the United States' stance on firearms and blatant culture of violence produces negative results.
Now, what was that term I was looking for again?
I think I just remembered it....
something is weird about this shit. how does an unemployed college student afford expensive ass military weapons? dude had military booby traps set in his home lol
Thanks for only reading the letters in bright shiny colors...
He had military grade shit not available to the public and no money even if he could access it, yet no explanation to the source of income, they dont say he was maxing out credit cards or anything. So either his family payed for all his weapons and contributed to this mass shooting uknowingly (highly doubtful) or its the US governemnt. (oklahoma city bombing) Jus like the one little truck blew up that whole building.... GTFOH.
Unemployed medical student, James Holmes, spent thousands on costly weaponry - Miami healthy living | Examiner.com
nobody knows what the bombs were made of, he's a smart enough guy he probably could have used store bought shit
James Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, Received $26,000 Stipend Plus Tuition From NIH | wusa9.com
"It is difficult even to consider that taxpayer dollars may have helped fund his alleged rampage."
Well there it is tax paying americans funded him.
Im not buying that shit. lol this would be a good cover up tho. yall are telling me dude was decked in a suit like he ironman to protect himself from cops than he just gives himself up when he sees them? this shit staged.
» Eerie Coincidence: Colorado University Had Identical Drill On Same Day As ‘Batman’ Massacre Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
just like 9/11 lol they staged the same thing the same day on 9/11 just like the shooting
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